From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FEER9-00029r-Ak for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:39:23 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1SNbKqA021674; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:37:20 GMT Received: from aerie.halcy0n.com ([65.98.89.194]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SNXxBn020732 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:34:02 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aerie.halcy0n.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D4E7E9E4 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from aerie.halcy0n.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (halcy0n.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20782-11-2 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by aerie.halcy0n.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 970E47EA02; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:34:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:34:32 -0500 From: Mark Loeser To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role Message-ID: <20060228233432.GA8557@aerie.halcy0n.com> References: <20060227213321.7ee405ec@snowdrop.home> <200602281539.43661.vapier@gentoo.org> <905929917.20060228220239@gentoo.org> <200602281631.37594.vapier@gentoo.org> <20060228215040.GL11818@toucan.gentoo.org> <4404CB49.2080402@gentoo.org> <20060228223650.GA20443@toucan.gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060228223650.GA20443@toucan.gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at halcy0n.com X-Archives-Salt: 4c463d8a-aac6-4987-93b4-025a871a14fc X-Archives-Hash: 09c3677d9e80f36382b915a4085aa19d --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Renat Lumpau said: > Yes. Here's a quote from Halcy0n (with his permission): >=20 > Don't mistake me not getting involved for approval. I am just not goin= g to > get involved in every single dev->dev disagreement, and certainly not w= hen I > do not have all of the facts. I wasn't aware that every team leader was > accountable for how devs on their team behaved. >=20 > This is not meant as a comment on Halcy0n's abilities as a team leader, a= s I > understand he has attempted to manage the issue but "reasonable effort" h= as > failed. >=20 > So, my concern is: if the QA team can't manage its members effectively, s= hould > they be entrusted with tree-wide powers? Since one dev so far has stepped "out of line", and this is by no means the only time it has happened, I don't see how this argument has any merit. If it becomes a pattern where all members of the QA team are causing problems, then I can see it as being valid. I don't think you will find one person that is going to say they are capable of changing how Ciaran interacts with people. This is an entirely different issue though, and I have talked to Ciaran about it. What I was saying above is that I am not going to go and get involved every single time someone has a disagreement. This situation has obviously grown to be ridiculous and I have had a talk with him about it, so he knows my feelings on the situation, and what I expect. --=20 Mark Loeser - Gentoo Developer (cpp gcc-porting qa toolchain x86) email - halcy0n AT gentoo DOT org mark AT halcy0n DOT com web - http://dev.gentoo.org/~halcy0n/ http://www.halcy0n.com --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEBN4ICRZPokWLroQRAkduAJ9OQzFDlNwzbhx9ZMApncsCknO9yACggeP8 x8qGGlvMyCMJIqkf13sDMok= =SIon -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list