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From: Mark Loeser <halcy0n@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060227190550.GA15442@aerie.halcy0n.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44033F86.7060805@gentoo.org>

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Grant Goodyear <g2boojum@gentoo.org> said:
> Mark Loeser wrote:
> > * In case of emergency, or if package maintainers refuse to cooperate,
> >   the QA team may take action themselves to fix the problem.
> 
> My suspicion is that the more common problem is going to be inaccessible
> developers, rather than uncooperative ones.  Certainly, if a maintainer
> cannot be contacted, then I would prefer that QA fix the problem rather
> than let it languish.  So, yes, I do believe that QA needs the ability
> to go in and change any package that is broken.

We hope that it is never the case when someone refuses to cooperate, but
it is a possible situation we may likely have to deal with at some
point.

> > * In the event that a developer still insists that a package does not
> >   break QA standards, an appeal can be made at the next council meeting. The
> >   package should be dealt with per QA's request until such a time that a
> >   decision is made by the council.
> 
> I'm somewhat ambivalent on this one on a couple of points, and the
> nxserver case (bug #123926) hits both of them.  The first is that it
> seems to me that in a case like this one, where the package involved is
> a minor one that (I think) is not a dependency of any other packages,
> the most that QA should do is hard mask the package w/ a clear note
> pointing to the bug report, until some sort of resolution is achieved.
> Removing the package would seem to be a bit much.  The second is the
> fact that I don't really like seeing policy bounced to the council
> unless absolutely necessary.  Just as was seen here, a discussion on
> -dev might well lead to a reasonable compromise.  If it doesn't, then
> the council can get involved.

I agree.  With regards to the nxserver case, we said the package should
be removed if we could not come to a resolution.  We never said that we
were going to outright remove the package immediately.

It is not our goal, nor our intent, to go around and remove people's packages
from the tree.  This entire bullet point is really a worst case scenario when
all else breaks down.  The same with if there is a disagreement within the
majority of the QA team.  I don't foresee this occuring often, if at
all, but I felt it was important enough to address.


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      parent reply	other threads:[~2006-02-27 19:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-26 22:22 [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role Mark Loeser
2006-02-26 22:58 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-26 23:13   ` johnm
2006-02-26 23:51   ` Daniel Goller
2006-02-27  0:42   ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-26 23:11 ` johnm
2006-02-26 23:21   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-26 23:35     ` johnm
2006-02-27  0:09       ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  0:29         ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27  0:35           ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  1:53             ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27  2:10               ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  3:34                 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27  5:13                   ` Ned Ludd
2006-02-27  6:25                     ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27 16:35               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 16:47                 ` Lance Albertson
2006-02-27 17:15                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 10:21                     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 14:48                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:02                         ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 17:30                   ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28  9:19                     ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-28 16:04                   ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-27 20:05                 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27  5:09           ` Ned Ludd
2006-02-27 16:37             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27  8:58         ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-26 23:41     ` Alec Warner
2006-02-26 23:51       ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27  0:12       ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  9:09         ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-27 16:37           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 17:09             ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-27 17:18               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-26 23:48 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27  0:34   ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  1:21     ` Daniel Goller
2006-02-27  9:00     ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 17:08       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 17:21         ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-27 18:12           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 17:31         ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 20:26         ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 20:37           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 20:45             ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 20:54               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 21:02                 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 21:04                 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-27 21:18                   ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-27 21:34                     ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-27 22:38                     ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-27 23:07                     ` Alec Warner
2006-02-27 21:34                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 10:42                     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 21:12                 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 21:32                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28  9:49                     ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 14:31                       ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 14:39                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:08                         ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 15:29                           ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 15:42                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 16:23                               ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 16:24                               ` [gentoo-dev] Policies (was: [RFC] QA Team's role) Danny van Dyk
2006-02-28 16:39                                 ` Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 18:35                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 15:29                           ` [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01  7:37                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 16:44                               ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 16:00                           ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 11:45                     ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-27 21:43                   ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28  6:11                   ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-27 20:49             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-27 21:33               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28  9:38                 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 12:54                   ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-28 13:34                     ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 14:00                       ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-28 14:33                         ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 15:07                         ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 14:21                     ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-28 14:46                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 14:55                         ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-28 14:52                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:12                     ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 15:26                       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 15:42                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 16:11                           ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 16:35                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:00                               ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 17:09                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:30                                   ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 17:38                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:59                                       ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 18:09                                         ` Dan Meltzer
2006-02-28 18:12                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 19:03                                           ` Wernfried Haas
2006-02-28 18:14                                         ` Fernando J. Pereda
2006-02-28 18:19                                         ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 18:55                                           ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 18:01                                       ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 18:02                                       ` Alec Warner
2006-02-28 19:11                                         ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2006-02-28 19:21                                           ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 19:24                                           ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 19:09                                       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 19:42                                         ` Danny van Dyk
2006-02-28 20:20                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01 12:09                                           ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-03-01 12:24                                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 13:16                                       ` Simon Stelling
2006-02-28 17:02                               ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 17:11                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:51                                   ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 19:59                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 20:10                                       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 20:39                                         ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 21:02                                           ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 21:31                                             ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 21:50                                               ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 21:55                                                 ` Dan Meltzer
2006-02-28 22:10                                                   ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 21:57                                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 22:12                                                   ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 22:14                                                 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-28 22:36                                                   ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 23:34                                                     ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-28 23:45                                                       ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 23:57                                                         ` Mark Loeser
2006-03-01  0:13                                                       ` Lance Albertson
2006-03-01  0:28                                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01  0:40                                                           ` Mike Frysinger
2006-03-01  7:17                                                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01  2:22                                                         ` Lance Albertson
2006-02-28 22:42                                                   ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 22:50                                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 23:10                                                       ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 23:45                                                     ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-28 21:58                                               ` Alec Warner
2006-02-28 23:08                                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-03-01 12:24                                                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 18:00                                   ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 18:39                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 19:27                                       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 19:38                                         ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 19:42                                         ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-28 16:40                             ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 16:22                           ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 16:39                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:30                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:17                     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 15:31                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01  7:21                         ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 10:29                           ` Danny van Dyk
2006-03-01 11:02                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 12:30                         ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 15:21                     ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 20:57             ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-28 10:34             ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 14:47               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:22                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 18:05 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-27 18:19   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 10:55     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 19:05   ` Mark Loeser [this message]

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