From: John Mylchreest <johnm@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:09:01 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060227090901.GB11804@getafix.willow.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060227001252.GD17257@aerie.halcy0n.com>
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On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 07:12:52PM -0500, Mark Loeser <halcy0n@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org> said:
> > This is meant to prevent the case where the QA team ( or a subset; "the
> > established QA members" ) decides to make unilateral changes to the tree
> > ( or large subset thereof ) without even necessarily talking to the
> > affected developers.
> >
> > While you may not think that soliciting comments is useful ( and in some
> > limited cases I would agree with you ) giving people the opportunity to
> > comment also means you just covered your ass, in terms of people going
> > "where the hell did that come from?"
>
> We don't plan on going around and making changes without discussing
> issues with the maintainers. We put this in so that if the maintainer
> is unwilling to work with us for some reason, that we are able to come
> up with what we believe to be the best fix. As I said earlier in the
> document, we plan to work as much with maintainers as possible, but
> sometimes that may prove to be impossible.
In this specific instance, impossible is effectively a point of view.
For me the question comes down to this.. If QA trump maintainer, then
who picks the QA staff? If anyone can become QA staff, then this is
questionable in itself. is QA becoming another council with a sole
purpose? If so I'd like to see an election again. At the end of the day
the pack have to have faith in the team doing the work, and
disagreements are obviously contrary to that.
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2006-02-26 22:22 [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role Mark Loeser
2006-02-26 22:58 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-26 23:13 ` johnm
2006-02-26 23:51 ` Daniel Goller
2006-02-27 0:42 ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-26 23:11 ` johnm
2006-02-26 23:21 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-26 23:35 ` johnm
2006-02-27 0:09 ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27 0:29 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27 0:35 ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27 1:53 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27 2:10 ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27 3:34 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27 5:13 ` Ned Ludd
2006-02-27 6:25 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27 16:35 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 16:47 ` Lance Albertson
2006-02-27 17:15 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 10:21 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 14:48 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:02 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 17:30 ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 9:19 ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-28 16:04 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-27 20:05 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27 5:09 ` Ned Ludd
2006-02-27 16:37 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 8:58 ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-26 23:41 ` Alec Warner
2006-02-26 23:51 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 0:12 ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27 9:09 ` John Mylchreest [this message]
2006-02-27 16:37 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 17:09 ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-27 17:18 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-26 23:48 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 0:34 ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27 1:21 ` Daniel Goller
2006-02-27 9:00 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 17:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 17:21 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-27 18:12 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 17:31 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 20:26 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 20:37 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 20:45 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 20:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 21:02 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 21:04 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-27 21:18 ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-27 21:34 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-27 22:38 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-27 23:07 ` Alec Warner
2006-02-27 21:34 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 10:42 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 21:12 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 21:32 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 9:49 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 14:31 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 14:39 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:08 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 15:29 ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 15:42 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 16:23 ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 16:24 ` [gentoo-dev] Policies (was: [RFC] QA Team's role) Danny van Dyk
2006-02-28 16:39 ` Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 18:35 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 15:29 ` [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01 7:37 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 16:44 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 16:00 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 11:45 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-27 21:43 ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 6:11 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-27 20:49 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-27 21:33 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 9:38 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 12:54 ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-28 13:34 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 14:00 ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-28 14:33 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 15:07 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 14:21 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-28 14:46 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 14:55 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-28 14:52 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:12 ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 15:26 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 15:42 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 16:11 ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 16:35 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:00 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 17:09 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:30 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 17:38 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:59 ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 18:09 ` Dan Meltzer
2006-02-28 18:12 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 19:03 ` Wernfried Haas
2006-02-28 18:14 ` Fernando J. Pereda
2006-02-28 18:19 ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 18:55 ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 18:01 ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 18:02 ` Alec Warner
2006-02-28 19:11 ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2006-02-28 19:21 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 19:24 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 19:09 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 19:42 ` Danny van Dyk
2006-02-28 20:20 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01 12:09 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-03-01 12:24 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 13:16 ` Simon Stelling
2006-02-28 17:02 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 17:11 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:51 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 19:59 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 20:10 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 20:39 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 21:02 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 21:31 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 21:50 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 21:55 ` Dan Meltzer
2006-02-28 22:10 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 21:57 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 22:12 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 22:14 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-28 22:36 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 23:34 ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-28 23:45 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 23:57 ` Mark Loeser
2006-03-01 0:13 ` Lance Albertson
2006-03-01 0:28 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01 0:40 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-03-01 7:17 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 2:22 ` Lance Albertson
2006-02-28 22:42 ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 22:50 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 23:10 ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 23:45 ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-28 21:58 ` Alec Warner
2006-02-28 23:08 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-03-01 12:24 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 18:00 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 18:39 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 19:27 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 19:38 ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 19:42 ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-28 16:40 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 16:22 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 16:39 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:30 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:17 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 15:31 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01 7:21 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 10:29 ` Danny van Dyk
2006-03-01 11:02 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 12:30 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 15:21 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 20:57 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-28 10:34 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 14:47 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:22 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 18:05 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-27 18:19 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 10:55 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 19:05 ` Mark Loeser
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