From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FDVH0-0008Cp-2p for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:25:54 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1QNP21Q012218; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:25:02 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1QNLu0c006236 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:21:56 GMT Received: from [213.121.151.206] (helo=snowdrop.home) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1FDVD9-0001VD-SS for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:21:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=snowdrop.home) by snowdrop.home with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FDVD5-0006vU-1g for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:21:51 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:21:47 +0000 From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role Message-ID: <20060226232147.37349bc2@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <20060226231121.GB11930@dogmatix.willow.local> References: <20060226222217.GB17257@aerie.halcy0n.com> <20060226231121.GB11930@dogmatix.willow.local> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.8.12; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_Nk5byyvNcL0Wye1YnRDMCex; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: 54c9c854-25ba-4d89-a21b-bf33f9a188e3 X-Archives-Hash: b16aa761545aaa48225288e4ce653e9c --Sig_Nk5byyvNcL0Wye1YnRDMCex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:11:21 +0000 johnm@gentoo.org wrote: | On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 05:22:17PM -0500, Mark Loeser | <halcy0n@gentoo.org> wrote: | > * The QA team's purpose is to provide cross-herd assistance in | > keeping the tree in a good state. This is done primarily by finding | > and pointing out issues to maintainers and, where necessary, taking | > direct action. |=20 | Please clarify "neccessary". I don't want to see repeat occurances of | non-issues bogging down real work. Also, please define around this a | clear and documented policy so when its enforced, its well defended. The problem is... It's impossible to document every single way in which someone can screw up. For example, I wouldn't've thought to document "you should not run mkdir in global scope", because I didn't think anyone would be daft enough to do it. Policy *has* to rely upon the basic assumption that developers won't do something crazy. | > * The QA team may also offer to fix obvious typos and similar minor | > issues, and silence from the package maintainers can be taken as | > agreement in such situations. |=20 | I have no objections, on the understanding that there is a definitive | understanding of whats being changed and legitimate things aren't | accidentally replaced. Example of where this clause would be used, had said bug not been fixed quickly anyway: bug #122902. | > * In the case of disagreement on policy among QA members, the | > majority of established QA members must agree with the action. |=20 | Perhaps pushing it to an open forum on -dev/-core for consensus works | better here? The problem with that is, it usually ends up with too many pointless comments from people saying how things could be fixed in the distant future, or whining that it isn't explicitly forbidden by policy on situations where the screwup was too weird to be documented previously. | > * Just because a particular QA violation has yet to cause an issue | > does not change the fact that it is still a QA violation. |=20 | Is this a statement or a policy? I assume that if this is policy the | non-visible issue would go about appropriate scrutany, and in turn a | long-term solution made in the situation where it is not easily | resolvable/avoidable. This is to cover for situations where people claim that their screwups are ok because no-one has yet reported it as broken. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm --Sig_Nk5byyvNcL0Wye1YnRDMCex Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEAjgO96zL6DUtXhERAt8PAKCH4V52hsVwQwuvkbH4xLvWjYVj3wCg41tE IyfDUQVDQPAZ54b2QmqGR9M= =E950 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_Nk5byyvNcL0Wye1YnRDMCex-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list