[gentoo-dev] beep-media-player removal: 04/03/2006

[gentoo-dev] beep-media-player removal: 04/03/2006

[Tony Vroon]

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Good afternoon,

Please note that I am planning to remove beep-media-player and
accompanying plugin packages from the portage tree on March 4, 2006,
unless
anyone can convince me of a good reason why they should stay.
This software has been abandoned by it's authors since October 2005,
and is
masked starting today.

Note that a currently active fork exists (Audacious), which has absorbed
the necessary functionality to play all formats that BMP would have
needed a plugin for. The 0.1.2 release of Audacious has the same
stable keywords
that beep-media-player has, and should prove to be an effortless
upgrade. For anyone
running ~arch, release 0.2 is available.
Audacious is the recommended upgrade path from beep-media-player.
Most, if not all the bmp
plugins available in portage have already been absorbed into this program.

Regards,
Tony (Chainsaw)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] beep-media-player removal: 04/03/2006

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Tony Vroon wrote:
> Good afternoon,
> 
> Please note that I am planning to remove beep-media-player and
> accompanying plugin packages from the portage tree on March 4, 2006,
> unless
> anyone can convince me of a good reason why they should stay.
> This software has been abandoned by it's authors since October 2005,
> and is
> masked starting today.

Um, it doesn't look abandoned to me, just the 0.x branch of it mostly.
There's an update on the website from 2 days ago.

http://www.beep-media-player.org/site/About says:

"Please be aware that 'BMPx' is merely a codename for the project, and
at some point we'll decide that it's ready to get out of beta stage and
will release it as BMP 2.0.

In other words, BMPx is BMP, just not quite yet; yet it already is much
more than BMP ever was."

Thanks,
Donnie


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Re: [gentoo-dev] beep-media-player removal: 04/03/2006

[Wernfried Haas]

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On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 10:09:33AM -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> http://www.beep-media-player.org/site/About says:

As far i understand it and according to the description of the ebuild
that one is media-sound/bmpx, not media-sound/beep-media-player.

confusion++ ;-)

cheers,
	Wernfried

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Re: [gentoo-dev] beep-media-player removal: 04/03/2006

[Stephen P. Becker]

Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Tony Vroon wrote:
>> Good afternoon,
>>
>> Please note that I am planning to remove beep-media-player and
>> accompanying plugin packages from the portage tree on March 4, 2006,
>> unless
>> anyone can convince me of a good reason why they should stay.
>> This software has been abandoned by it's authors since October 2005,
>> and is
>> masked starting today.

Ouch, this is really bad for mips.  BMP is really the only decently
modern gui-fied mp3 player in portage which actually works for us (aside
from the horribly ugly xmms).  Anything gstreamer or xine-lib based is
unusable (ping me on irc if you want more information).

> Um, it doesn't look abandoned to me, just the 0.x branch of it mostly.
> There's an update on the website from 2 days ago.
> 
> http://www.beep-media-player.org/site/About says:
> 
> "Please be aware that 'BMPx' is merely a codename for the project, and
> at some point we'll decide that it's ready to get out of beta stage and
> will release it as BMP 2.0.
> 
> In other words, BMPx is BMP, just not quite yet; yet it already is much
> more than BMP ever was."

Ugh, it looks like this new 'BMPx' branch uses gstreamer.  Is there no
way to keep the good old clean, working version of BMP in portage?

-Steve
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Re: [gentoo-dev] beep-media-player removal: 04/03/2006

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Wednesday 22 February 2006 19:34, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> Ugh, it looks like this new 'BMPx' branch uses gstreamer.  Is there no
> way to keep the good old clean, working version of BMP in portage?
That is audacious.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] beep-media-player removal: 04/03/2006

[George Prowse]

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No, BPMx and Audacious are two different things

http://audacious-media-player.org/FAQ#1.4

On 22/02/06, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <flameeyes@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 22 February 2006 19:34, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> > Ugh, it looks like this new 'BMPx' branch uses gstreamer. Is there no
> > way to keep the good old clean, working version of BMP in portage?
> That is audacious.
>
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>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] beep-media-player removal: 04/03/2006

[Stephen Bennett]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:02:32 +0000
"George Prowse" <cokehabit@gmail.com> wrote:

> No, BPMx and Audacious are two different things

Err, I think that might have been his point.

> 
> http://audacious-media-player.org/FAQ#1.4
> 
> On 22/02/06, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <flameeyes@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday 22 February 2006 19:34, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> > > Ugh, it looks like this new 'BMPx' branch uses gstreamer. Is
> > > there no way to keep the good old clean, working version of BMP
> > > in portage?
> > That is audacious.
> >
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> > Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE
> >
> >
> >

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Re: [gentoo-dev] beep-media-player removal: 04/03/2006

[Luca Barbato]

George Prowse wrote:
> No, BPMx and Audacious are two different things
> 

bmpx is using large frameworks and have some deps that makes it in the
league of amarok totem and friends, call them large players

bmp is in the league of zinf xmms audacious xmms2 (to a degree) and so
on, call them light players.

Now, bmp is phased out, which is the gtk2 light player that could match
it's deps and features best?

lu

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Re: [gentoo-dev] beep-media-player removal: 04/03/2006

[Mart Raudsepp]

On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 08:22 +0100, Luca Barbato wrote:
> George Prowse wrote:
> > No, BPMx and Audacious are two different things
> > 
> 
> bmpx is using large frameworks and have some deps that makes it in the
> league of amarok totem and friends, call them large players
> 
> bmp is in the league of zinf xmms audacious xmms2 (to a degree) and so
> on, call them light players.
> 
> Now, bmp is phased out, which is the gtk2 light player that could match
> it's deps and features best?

Ok, I guess I can have my try on explaining this once and for all :)

BMP main authors started work on BMPx when BMP was around the 0.9.7
versions.
BMP was not seeing any new features, and at one point was not maintained
anymore, either.
Audacious took BMP version 0.9.7.1 code, and worked on top of that,
because BMP was unmaintained, and a couple other reasons that one can
read from the Audacious FAQ.
BMPx is pretty much a rewrite of the player, not having much inherited
from XMMS code.

So, if you want BMP, get Audacious - it is an advancement to the last
released version of BMP.
BMPx is a rewrite in progress for a more heavyweight player using lots
of modern day tools and libraries (GTK+ 2.8+, cairo, gstreamer-0.10/xine
probably SVG for skins soon if not already, etc).

As a conclusion, if you used BMP for your lightweight player, you
probably want audacious, if you don't want to try a more different
thing.

Hope this clears things up.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] beep-media-player removal: 04/03/2006

[Tony Vroon]

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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Tony Vroon wrote:
>> Good afternoon,
>>
>> Please note that I am planning to remove beep-media-player and
>> accompanying plugin packages from the portage tree on March 4, 2006,
>> unless
>> anyone can convince me of a good reason why they should stay.
>> This software has been abandoned by it's authors since October 2005,
>> and is
>> masked starting today.
>
> Um, it doesn't look abandoned to me, just the 0.x branch of it mostly.
> There's an update on the website from 2 days ago.
>
> http://www.beep-media-player.org/site/About says:
>
> "Please be aware that 'BMPx' is merely a codename for the project, and
> at some point we'll decide that it's ready to get out of beta stage and
> will release it as BMP 2.0
It is bmpx right now; and the legacy BMP code is abandoned and
unmaintained. If it ever wants to return to the beep-media-player
name, it would be nice if all incompatible plugin packages etc are
gone. When beep-media-player "Classic" and it's friend the bmp
USE-flag have left the building, I will remove the mask after a few
months and the package name is up for grabs.
For now BMPx is actively maintained while BMP is not. So BMP needs to go.

Regards,
Tony.
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