From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1F29s1-00080y-Oz for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:21:14 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0QGJncP023675; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:19:49 GMT Received: from smtp50.wxs.nl (smtp50-real.wxs.nl [195.121.247.15]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0QGGFJQ029833 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:16:15 GMT Received: from pavlvs2.devrieze.net (ip5457f303.direct-adsl.nl [84.87.243.3]) by smtp50.wxs.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0QGGF1f030395 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:16:15 +0100 Received: from hex.local.devrieze.net (hex.local.devrieze.net [192.168.1.7]) by pavlvs2.devrieze.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407C010046 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:16:15 +0100 (CET) From: Paul de Vrieze To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:16:14 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <1138284169.10589.45.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <200601260934.51644.mikey@badpenguins.com> In-Reply-To: <200601260934.51644.mikey@badpenguins.com> X-Face: #Lb+'V@sGJ;ptgo5}V"W+5OCoo{LZv;bh,s,`WKLi/J)ed1_$0;6X<=?utf-8?q?700LVV/=3BLqPhiDP=5E=0A=09=27f=5Dfnv?=@%6M8\'HR1t=aFx;ePfp{ZQoBe+e)JOQ8T5*(_;mHY+cltLGq<;@$Y,=?utf-8?q?O=5C=24=0A=09Tm=23G6M?=,g![Q62J{na*S9d;R[^8pc%u\aiLqU@`kJtYl"^6pxdW Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart15816269.WhOGg1Oi0q"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200601261716.14959.pauldv@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 0e6e4abf-f166-4b56-ab95-c5d5910bf859 X-Archives-Hash: ac15eb26d8ee1ecd91de2d6f07f8c518 --nextPart15816269.WhOGg1Oi0q Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 26 January 2006 16:34, Mikey wrote: > You guys have made the decision to stop supporting stage1 installs. The > "official" installation method is a stage3. What I documented, and teste= d, > is what you are telling users they have to do. Download stage3, emerge > --sync, update system. > > The only problem is that you don't actually tell the users what to do when > there are major issues, such as gcc upgrades. There is no link in the > handbook or the gentoo documentation page mentioning the fact that they > can't just upgrade their gcc without going through the proper process you > mention above. What I documented is what any user would _need_ to do to > get their system installed using your recommended installation method. > > And those instructions have nothing whatsoever to do with common sense fr= om > a new, or even experienced users perspective. Knowing that a gcc upgrade > will break libtool is not common sense, nor is it commonly known. It will not break libtool. It breaks broken libtool files. There should be = no=20 reason for those files to actually specify libstdc++ at all. The dependency= =20 is already pulled in by the affected library, so does not need to be=20 specified in the libtool file at all. This goes however to the issue of broken libtool files and broken linking b= y=20 libtool. An entirely different matter and more related to the "--as-needed"= =20 discussion. > > Yes, but I have been called an idiot here for following the instructions > given to upgrade gcc. They are not my instructions, they are not the way= I > would do it, they are YOUR instructions. > Those are general case instructions, that in this case are making you do ex= tra=20 work. If you know what you are doing, like Chris could be expected to, you= =20 can skip some steps. All that can happen is that you need to remerge some=20 package because it doesn't work anymore. Paul =2D-=20 Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net --nextPart15816269.WhOGg1Oi0q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2-ecc0.1.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBD2PXObKx5DBjWFdsRAnKXAKC3lOKAmbo6w8enVbtUFurwc+4mkACg6pfP 3wAYHYsuySKVF/gd7dMvDq8= =Rry9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart15816269.WhOGg1Oi0q-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list