[gentoo-dev] NFP lack of progress

[gentoo-dev] NFP lack of progress

[Brian Harring]

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Hola.

Email's pretty simple- from where I'm sitting, there doesn't seem to 
be any actual progress on trustees issues.

Current issues with no progress-

1) Copyright assignment.  Check the nfp archives, last comment is sep 
26th, seems to be totally dead.
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.nfp/

2) bylaws.  They're proposed.  About it.  Last update to the bylaws 
doc was 10/24/05, http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/bylaws.xml

3) quarterly filings.  We've got 2nd quarter '05 up 
(04/01/05-07/30/05).  Where's 3rd?  4th actually being worked upon?  
I'm assuming the pages haven't been posted but the paperwork (whatever 
there may be) has been handled.


Additionally, bank transfer is underway, but donnie is responsive on 
it so not raising it as an issue.


General commentary from nfp members who have responded when I've poked 
for updates is that there isn't much to do- 'k, we still have 
outstanding issues that don't seem to have any progress occuring.

I've tried getting info out of -nfp ml regarding actual progress, but 
thus far either no responses on issues at hand, or a repeat of same 
state.

So I'd like to know the following-

1) where we're _actually_ at on these issues.
2) who is working on what
3) what _exact_ issues are holding folks up.
4) what is being done to resolve the hold ups.
5) What actual progress/work has been done thus far (no, don't need to 
document something publically viewable like "wrote bylaws")
6) A rough schedule of when things are going to be accomplished.  Not 
asking for hard figures, but if you're held up by X, I'd like to know 
when you expect X to be done so we can gauge how things are going.

Yes... email is a bit forceful, but if you look through the nfp 
archives, this seems to be the remaining option available.  
Additionally, we *do* elect trustee members, so transparency here is a 
bit of requirement- otherwise, it's pretty damn hard to vote out the 
slackers if we can't identify who they are (this is assuming folks are 
slacking of course, which may not be the case).

Finally, this is intentionally sent to -dev rather then the sekret 
flame-war arena that is -core, as I stated above, transparency is 
required.

~harring

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Re: [gentoo-dev] NFP lack of progress

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:42:39 -0800 Brian Harring <ferringb@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| Email's pretty simple- from where I'm sitting, there doesn't seem to 
| be any actual progress on trustees issues.

*prod*

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Re: [gentoo-dev] NFP lack of progress

[Grant Goodyear]

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Brian Harring wrote: [Fri Jan 20 2006, 10:42:39AM CST]
> Email's pretty simple- from where I'm sitting, there doesn't seem to 
> be any actual progress on trustees issues.

That's a pretty good synopsis.

> 1) Copyright assignment.  Check the nfp archives, last comment is sep 
> 26th, seems to be totally dead.
> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.nfp/

My understanding is that we do have a draft copyright assignment
form prepared, but because any sane discussion about it involves
allowing the legal types to interact with foundation members, the
thought was that we needed a separate, private, opt-in list for
discussion, and that was never set up, so nothing has moved on this
issue.  (Also, I believe that we are still waiting on hearing back
from the legal folks as to what needs to be discussed on the private
list, and what can be in public.  After all, the document itself
will need to be public eventually!)

> 2) bylaws.  They're proposed.  About it.  Last update to the bylaws 
> doc was 10/24/05, http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/bylaws.xml

In principle, they need to be voted on.  In reality, I'm in no hurry
since we haven't been around very long to see if the proposed bylaws
are really what we need.  

> 3) quarterly filings.  We've got 2nd quarter '05 up 
> (04/01/05-07/30/05).  Where's 3rd?  4th actually being worked upon?  
> I'm assuming the pages haven't been posted but the paperwork (whatever 
> there may be) has been handled.

There actually is no paperwork (legally, that is), because our income is
such that no paperwork is required.  From an ethical standard, however,
we of course should be posting that info.  Cshields?

  4) Relocating the NFP to Delaware.  Dostrow is working on it, but
     there has been no progress to date.

  5) Wildcard SSL certificate for infra (bug #117837).  
     Kurt is pushing that through, and I assume it will pass.  It's darn
     pricy, but it' not clear that there is really a good alternative.

> Additionally, bank transfer is underway, but donnie is responsive on 
> it so not raising it as an issue.

> 1) where we're _actually_ at on these issues.

See above.

> 2) who is working on what

I'm supposed to be pushing people to get things done.  It's been
rather like pushing a rope (people are busy, real life interferes,
and this stuff is amazingly boring), and all-in-all I've done a lousy
job of it.  During the last multiple months I've been spending most of
my time trying to switch careers (which I've now done, starting
tomorrow), so I also have not contributed much recently.

I won't run again for the foundation, since it's now clear that IP
and budget discussions bore me to tears, and I'm not doing a great job
motivating people.

> 3) what _exact_ issues are holding folks up.

I would say that it's more an issue of nothing being sufficiently urgent
to spur people to actually finish anything right now.

> 4) what is being done to resolve the hold ups.

Various people keep prodding the Trustees asking if anything is actually
going to be done.  I'm not sure that it's helping, but it certainly
isn't hurting anything.

> 5) What actual progress/work has been done thus far (no, don't need to 
> document something publically viewable like "wrote bylaws")
> 6) A rough schedule of when things are going to be accomplished.  Not 
> asking for hard figures, but if you're held up by X, I'd like to know 
> when you expect X to be done so we can gauge how things are going.

I don't have a good answer here, since I believe that the hangups are
all personal, not technical.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] NFP lack of progress

[Ramon van Alteren]

Grant Goodyear wrote:

> 5) Wildcard SSL certificate for infra (bug #117837).
>
>    Kurt is pushing that through, and I assume it will pass.  It's darn
>     pricy, but it' not clear that there is really a good alternative.
>  
>
I don't know if this is already known but rapidssl.com are offering 
wildcard ssl-certs for $199,- a year.
They're single server though...

We use a lot of gentoo. I'd be willing to pitch sponsoring to my boss.
If you're interested contact me off-list.

Regards,

Ramon

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To be stupid and selfish and to have good health are the three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, the others are useless.

Gustave Flaubert

  
  

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