From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EuYri-0004ab-52 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:25:30 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k05HOh33012135; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:24:43 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k05HMJLm013798 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:22:20 GMT Received: from agriffis by smtp.gentoo.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EuYod-0008VD-IP for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:22:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:21:18 -0500 X-OfflineIMAP-x1288151074-64676f73656e64-494e424f582e4f7574626f78: 1136481739-0278741868923-v4.0.11 From: Aron Griffis To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January Message-ID: <20060105172118.GA27884@olive.flatmonk> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <200601011053.k01ArjOh019213@robin.gentoo.org> <43B96D6D.8080107@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43B96D6D.8080107@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Archives-Salt: c5b31775-d498-4cda-9582-1c1f9416702a X-Archives-Hash: 37765ee4736d9dcbf66168f9ad11e866 --G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Content-Disposition: inline Hi Lance, You started this thread by proposing that: (1) Gentoo is lacking a direction/goal, (2) this is supported by the lack of ground breaking enhancements in the past couple of years. Later in the thread you proposed that (3) the solution may be to appoint a single person to provide a global goal/direction for the project. Looking first at 1 and 2, I think your assumption that ground-breaking enhancements are dependent on direction/goal is false. IMHO any single project within Gentoo can bring ground-breaking enhancements to the distribution without being given prior direction from a higher authority. The places where Gentoo needs improvement are generally well-known, and any developer has the power to bring a design and implementation to the table. The problem here isn't a lack of direction, it's a lack of action, particularly in the areas that *you* consider ground-breaking. What in particular would you like to see? So, keeping in mind that any developer can bring a plan to the table, my understanding of the council is this: In cases where a plan requires broader changes, the role of the council is to make sure that the plan makes sense in the context of Gentoo, where "context" is defined as history, philosophy, and the collection of goals defined by the other projects. It is not the role of the council to cook up the plan, that can be done by any developer(s), including council members if they have any brilliant ideas. ;-) Finally, looking at 3, that statement depends on the relationship between direction/goal and ground-breaking enhancements. If that relationship does not exist, then 3 is moot: Appointing a single individual to lead the project will not have an effect of generating ground-breaking enhancements. Personally, I agree with Grant's and Chris's comments in this thread. There have been some positive changes in the past couple years, and there are people working hard to bring more about. Hopefully we're cultivating an environment where the next major enhancement is just around the corner. What will it be? I'm in favor of leaving that to the individual projects to determine. Regards, Aron -- Aron Griffis Gentoo Linux Developer --G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDvVWOJrHF4yAQTrARAoY3AKC6lWiBllk3OqdZznJsjLpcQ8aPmgCdHxOh sVrJ5lqfrdJE8E1sHLl4Om4= =b0Wi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list