From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EuMhT-0000SL-WC for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 04:26:08 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k054PJUi021801; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:25:19 GMT Received: from jaguar.lieber.org (jaguar.lieber.org [217.160.252.168]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k054NLLB009989 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:23:21 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jaguar.lieber.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDF729C012 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jaguar.lieber.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (jaguar.lieber.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21364-11 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jaguar.lieber.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5598829C010; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:31:30 +0000 From: Kurt Lieber <klieber@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January Message-ID: <20060105043130.GI1967@mail.lieber.org> References: <43B96D6D.8080107@gentoo.org> <1136226795.8779.10.camel@localhost> <43B975FD.1000401@gentoo.org> <1136228634.23404.125.camel@localhost> <1136230095.8779.32.camel@localhost> <43BAB220.1030601@gentoo.org> <43BAB438.8000301@gentoo.org> <1136312226.27358.59.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <20060105035857.GH1967@mail.lieber.org> <20060105035706.GA23895@kroah.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060105035706.GA23895@kroah.com> X-GPG-Key: http://www.lieber.org/kurtl.pub.gpg User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lieber.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.368 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.232, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.368 X-Spam-Level: X-Archives-Salt: 08142c1a-e7b4-49d6-8a99-440467ece202 X-Archives-Hash: 6fec823c1754d52e62c077658234e3ac --ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 07:57:06PM -0800 or thereabouts, Greg KH wrote: > > Which is why Gentoo has jumped the shark and is now on a long, slow > > decline. >=20 > Ok, then what should Gentoo do to fix this percieved decline? Exactly what a lot of folks will have kittens about; appoint a CEO, leader, boss, manager, etc. (you know, all those corporate-type words that raise the hackles of nearly everyone on this list.) Right now, Gentoo is this gigantic, obese amoeba that just sort of sits in one place. Different parts of it try to go in different directions, with the net result being that the whole body never goes anywhere. We haven't done anything interesting or innovative over the last...year? two years? We have no effective leadership whatsoever. We spend far too much time arguing amongst ourselves instead of working as a team towards a common goal. =20 We should appoint one person to lead the project. Make sure that person knows WTF they're doing, are respected by the right developers, has a good vision for Gentoo and then let them make decisions. Expect people to adhere to the decisions and, if they don't, invite them to find other opportunities for their creative outlet. That person should figure out what Gentoo wants to be when it grows up. S/he should carefully consult the various stakeholders, look at the strengths/weaknesses of Gentoo as it stands currently and then figure out where the best direction is for it to proceed. They should then be responsible for making sure everyone (and I mean *everyone*) executes according to this direction. Folks who disagree with the vision will be able to go their own direction and start their own projects. That's the beauty of the GPL.=20 Anyway, I have no illusions of this idea ever being implemented in the current Gentoo environment. /shrug. It was a good ride. --kurt --ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDvKEiJPpRNiftIEYRAqxbAJwOkg4pz3zvrRT1AlyCNW0EYiJKOwCffIWh 8yxFelZx5kP36RvZ1pHR0Gw= =gWUh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list