From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EtpRb-0007uq-Q8 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:55:32 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k03Gn9IT011928; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:49:09 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k03GiRVO013272 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:44:29 GMT Received: from bmb24.med.uth.tmc.edu ([129.106.207.24] helo=localhost) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1Etp8A-0000Df-Nr for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:35:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:35:26 -0600 From: Grant Goodyear To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January Message-ID: <20060103163526.GQ11952@bmb24.uth.tmc.edu> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <200601011053.k01ArjOh019213@robin.gentoo.org> <43B96D6D.8080107@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FUFe+yI/t+r3nyH4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43B96D6D.8080107@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Archives-Salt: ca7b59a7-d646-4fe4-92b6-d3a6a13237ce X-Archives-Hash: 454c2b0ea0bc67adacd5e0695427c6da --FUFe+yI/t+r3nyH4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lance Albertson wrote: [Mon Jan 02 2006, 12:14:05PM CST] > Gentoo has been missing some kind of direction/goal for some time now. > Looking back at the last two years, what are the major > changes/accomplishments that we have done? Granted, I know there has > been great strides in improvement in some things, but I really wonder > about any ground breaking enhancements. Assuming that we can ever get GLEP 42 out the door, I think that will constitute ground-breaking. There has actually been a considerable amount of progress on the Portage front, as well, although not all of the new stuff is out yet. Similarly, the slowly-rolling website redesign is truly on the verge of being released. We also have had excellent modular X11 support for some time now, and it appears that gcc-4.x support is doing quite well, too. =20 Oh, and we've also retired an amazing number of no-longer-active devs, so I don't know if it's actually true that we've added numbers. > I'm not sure of the exact solution. Its just been pretty frustrating > lately hearing folks complain about this and that when I know that we > could do so much better. Maybe we're just happy with being where we're > at. I know I'm not. There's a niche that Gentoo fits really well and I > think we should focus on perfecting that niche instead of trying to be > better than distroA or distroB. Okay, so you're not happy with Gentoo's direction, but what are you actively doing to change it? (Other than starting this discussion, that is?) I don't mean that question as an attack, although it may well appear that way. It's also not directed at you, since others have=20 made similar comments. Instead, I'm suggesting that the reason that Gentoo lacks a leadership position right now is that, at least where Gentoo is concerned, effective leadership generally means an individual who is putting in a _lot_ of hard work writing code and implementing changes. That's one of the reasons that drobbins could be effective--he had the time to extend portage, work on the website to fit his vision, and make sweeping changes to the tree. In that respect, I would argue that Gentoo's most leader-like person right now is vapier, because he's a dev who actively enacts wide-ranging changes. Similarly, flameeyes, ciaranm, and the portage team all deserve credit for having a significant impact on where Gentoo has been going recently. (Yes, I also realize that people may not agree with some of what those devs have been doing, but they have been out there getting their hands dirty, and it makes a huge difference.) =20 *Shrug* My feeling is that Gentoo is not advancing all that quickly right now, but that it's being maintained fairly well. More importantly, we still ensure that people _can_ make sweeping changes, if they want to put in the work to do so. I'm actually fairly confident about Gentoo having a decent future. -g2boojum- --=20 Grant Goodyear=09 Gentoo Developer g2boojum@gentoo.org http://www.gentoo.org/~g2boojum GPG Fingerprint: D706 9802 1663 DEF5 81B0 9573 A6DC 7152 E0F6 5B76 --FUFe+yI/t+r3nyH4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDuqfOptxxUuD2W3YRArUPAJ47CPbaOppvnQAuP/5qcO6zODDX3ACdEW69 KKzMSAzDl7vdpygKAZLlXg4= =Mwh3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FUFe+yI/t+r3nyH4-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list