From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EtWe8-0006BG-Q2 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:51:13 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k02Kno20003685; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:49:50 GMT Received: from hermes.orakel.ods.org (dsl67-66.fastxdsl.nl [62.251.66.67]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k02Kk647005457 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:46:06 GMT Received: from aphrodite.orakel.ods.org ([172.17.2.15]) by hermes.orakel.ods.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EtWZB-0005X8-Nr for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 21:46:06 +0100 Received: by aphrodite.orakel.ods.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7EB081CD5A4; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:46:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:46:04 +0100 From: Grobian To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January Message-ID: <20060102204604.GC7125@gentoo.org> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <200601011053.k01ArjOh019213@robin.gentoo.org> <43B96D6D.8080107@gentoo.org> <1136226795.8779.10.camel@localhost> <43B975FD.1000401@gentoo.org> <1136228634.23404.125.camel@localhost> <20060102194954.GB7125@gentoo.org> <1136232723.23404.154.camel@localhost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1136232723.23404.154.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/ng-r655 (Darwin 8.3.0, VIM - Vi IMproved 6.2) Organization: Gentoo Foundation, Inc. X-Content-Scanned: by hermes.orakel.ods.org (Exim Exiscan) using SpamAssassin and ClamAV X-Archives-Salt: d76d4de8-9f12-4149-891b-3be6ff533952 X-Archives-Hash: 78c1f6bd1e0a27e67c237e854ec67dfa On 02-01-2006 21:12:03 +0100, Patrick Lauer wrote: > > If it isn't one person, then you would need to find two persons or even > > more that are completely aligned and have the same visions. Since > > leaders usually are charismatic and controversial where necessary to > > achieve their goals, it is hard to find two that don't get conflicts, > > stalling any vision to become a mission. > To extrapolate from that ... council etc. are incapable of doing "real > work"? ;-) Or in other words, a person is smart, people are dumb Your words here. I don't follow your logic, and I don't see where your statement comes from. I want to make explicit that -- in any case -- I didn't mean my words like that. > > > > Dunno, maybe I'm the loner here thinking this... > > > Maybe a bit idealistic, but I mostly agree :-) > > > > Well, you're not alone for sure ;) However, the amount of measures to > > take, why and what are a bit of an open question to me. I do, however, > > share your concerns of a missing 'Mission Statement'. It is a commonly > > known problem and primary point of concern (ie. Heene). > I guess we should decide on a problem before solving it :-) > Is the problem the lack of a mission statement? I don't see the need for > that, we all have our own definitions what a Gentoo is and why it's > cool. Trying to get that defined will be really tricky (and I predict a > smallish flamewar) I reinserted your first response. It looks like you changed your mind inbetween to me, and that you probably don't agree 'mostly' anymore? > We already have a mission statement - to produce the best software > distribution, ever ;-) > Wether it should be Linux only, GNU-based or a metadistribution is a > rather touchy subject, so please try to keep the discussion > civilized ... Lance mentioned something about what he sees is a niche where Gentoo does quite well. "Produce the best software distribution, ever" sounds a bit vague to me. That's why I agree with Lance for now. Maybe after a little research, trial and error period it turns out to be better to keep the target vague. -- Fabian Groffen -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list