From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Eq4K6-0004hu-Vy for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:00:15 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jBO7xS19024160; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:59:28 GMT Received: from cubert.e-centre.net (morbo.e-centre.net [66.154.82.3]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBO7vcQ2018567 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:57:38 GMT Received: from [10.3.1.19] (helo=barracuda2.stayonline.net) by cubert.e-centre.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Eq4HX-0002Hv-Ar for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:57:37 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1135411051-30910-9-0 X-Barracuda-URL: http://10.3.1.19:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from et-pdx-2.site.stayonline.net (unknown [65.200.64.131]) by barracuda2.stayonline.net (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 9A532C86CC for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from nightcrawler ([172.16.1.202]) by et-pdx-2.site.stayonline.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBO7vH5j009443 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:57:18 GMT Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:56:37 -0800 From: Brian Harring To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-ASG-Orig-Subj: how to contribute to use/slot deps: was Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support Subject: how to contribute to use/slot deps: was Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support Message-ID: <20051224075636.GG5796@nightcrawler.e-centre.net> References: <43A235AD.6030604@leetworks.com> <200512240337.38188.jstubbs@gentoo.org> <1135370733.1873.10.camel@Darkmere.darkmere> <200512241240.35292.jstubbs@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MiFvc8Vo6wRSORdP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200512241240.35292.jstubbs@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at stayonline.net X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=4.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.02, rules version 3.0.6595 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Archives-Salt: 65281ce5-05d1-4581-aa4e-727adcea4383 X-Archives-Hash: c8f8c07e7662bfd536f7b4016d36ab24 --MiFvc8Vo6wRSORdP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 12:40:35PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: > On Saturday 24 December 2005 05:45, Spider (DmD Lj) wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-12-24 at 03:37 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: > > > On Saturday 24 December 2005 03:23, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > > > On Friday 23 December 2005 19:12, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:57:44 +0100 Paul de Vrieze > > > > > > > > > > | Do those already work then? I'd like to be able to use them. > > > > > > > > > > Not in anything end users should be using. The syntax is pretty m= uch > > > > > decided upon though... > > > > > > > > Glad that they are comming though. Even though I'd probably not hol= d my > > > > breath. > > > > > > Trolling? > > > > Erm.. No, I don't think he is. We've been asking / waiting for the > > [use] syntax to appear since before you joined the project. It's been on > > "the list" for so long that many of us have given up... ; ) >=20 > Yep, bug 2272. (still was trolling). > > I don't think its trolling when we've been let down on it in the past, > > had it postponed to "the great redesign" ( project baghira, I think, > > too) And so on. >=20 > "Even though I'd probably not hold my breath"? It's something that many p= eople=20 > want but most are not evening willing to attempt implementing it. What wa= s=20 > the purpose of that comment? Expanding on this since jason's email is quite a bit nicer then my=20 original response. Frankly... the potshot at portage is mild=20 bullshit, but at this point I'm getting accustomed to it- bit easier=20 to take a swipe at portage rather then to do actual work=20 improving things (low blow potentially, but it sure as hell seems to=20 be the case). If folks are looking to get this feature, here's how you scratch that=20 itch. 1) design and implement your own stable based patch that is=20 maintainable. 2) help complete the saviour branch which holds a massive=20 refactoring (including use/slot required refactoring). Use/Slot is=20 already sitting in that branch btw, although the resolver handling of=20 it (ability to dig itself out of use cycles) isn't there yet. 3) help with the day to day bug mangling, regression fixes, and=20 general maintenance. Or work on the small features that need to be=20 dealt with; either way, help reduce the load so existing portage devs=20 can implement the beast. Note that nowhere in that list, is nagging/snarky comments/general=20 asshattery on public ml's listed as a means to get what you want. =20 That's actually something of a negative contribution, since time is=20 spent sending pissy emails such as this, or just results in=20 people saying "screw portage work". Devs making noise, you know what=20 the scenario is, you're on the receiving end of it too for your area=20 of work. Portage is no different. It's really pretty simple- get off your butt and chip in if you want=20 it, else you're on _our_ timeline (eg, we implement it when we deem it=20 sane/ready to go). It's been 3 years for the bug- more then ample=20 time to have contributed for some of the devs complaining in this=20 thread. Chip in, or bite your tongue essentially. ~harring --MiFvc8Vo6wRSORdP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDrP80vdBxRoA3VU0RAv7vAKCdmuD88ngHS7sHBSkyGMUXXhz3YgCdGdq1 Elyce9z5SGXh6lUcWNPlpzo= =hdHI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MiFvc8Vo6wRSORdP-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list