[gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[Joshua Baergen]

As many of you no doubt have noticed, spyderous and I finished bumping 
the modular packages to the newly released 7.0, which includes many 
changes and bug fixes since 6.8.2.  Over the next few weeks we'll be 
finalizing licenses and other necessities.  To whoever has been using 
modular for awhile: please let us know of any issues you currently have, 
or had during upgrading.

A couple people have also asked if 6.9 will be added to the tree.  There 
are currently no plans for this, and so 6.8.2-r4/6 (depending on 
platform) will be the last monolithic version barring any major security 
issues.  I've already noted in a bug that bumping to 6.9 will not be as 
easy as just changing the package version, and we see no reason to 
provide it if 7.0 will be here anyway and upstream will not release any 
further monolithic versions.

Merry Christmas,
Joshua Baergen
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Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[Greg KH]

On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 03:40:57PM -0700, Joshua Baergen wrote:
> As many of you no doubt have noticed, spyderous and I finished bumping 
> the modular packages to the newly released 7.0, which includes many 
> changes and bug fixes since 6.8.2.  Over the next few weeks we'll be 
> finalizing licenses and other necessities.  To whoever has been using 
> modular for awhile: please let us know of any issues you currently have, 
> or had during upgrading.

For those of us who want to try modular now, where's the pointer to how
to do this (I can't seem to find it in the archives, sorry...)

thanks,

greg k-h
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Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[Dan Meltzer]

http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/migrating_to_modular_x_howto.txt

followed it this morning :)
On 12/23/05, Greg KH <gregkh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 03:40:57PM -0700, Joshua Baergen wrote:
> > As many of you no doubt have noticed, spyderous and I finished bumping
> > the modular packages to the newly released 7.0, which includes many
> > changes and bug fixes since 6.8.2.  Over the next few weeks we'll be
> > finalizing licenses and other necessities.  To whoever has been using
> > modular for awhile: please let us know of any issues you currently have,
> > or had during upgrading.
>
> For those of us who want to try modular now, where's the pointer to how
> to do this (I can't seem to find it in the archives, sorry...)
>
> thanks,
>
> greg k-h
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>
>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Friday 23 December 2005 23:50, Greg KH wrote:
> For those of us who want to try modular now, where's the pointer to how
> to do this (I can't seem to find it in the archives, sorry...)
google for <<spyderous migrating guide site:dev.gentoo.org>> :)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[Donnie Berkholz]

Greg KH wrote:
> For those of us who want to try modular now, where's the pointer to how
> to do this (I can't seem to find it in the archives, sorry...)

I've been meaning to get it into guidexml and make it a real project doc 
for a while now (and the accompanying porting guide), but haven't had 
time. Anybody who wants to help out by doing this is quite welcome to do so.

I'm taking off for a week, so Josh will be taking care of your X.

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[Donnie Berkholz]

Joshua Baergen wrote:
> As many of you no doubt have noticed, spyderous and I finished bumping 
> the modular packages to the newly released 7.0, which includes many 
> changes and bug fixes since 6.8.2.  Over the next few weeks we'll be 
> finalizing licenses and other necessities.  To whoever has been using 
> modular for awhile: please let us know of any issues you currently have, 
> or had during upgrading.

What's this mean for everybody who maintains X-using applications? Well, 
7.0 will probably come out of package.mask in a month at most, so that's 
how long you have to either get your apps ported or suffer with them 
being broken on ~arch systems.

That's the stick end of this; I provided the carrot a while back and 
didn't get many takers.

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[John Myers]

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On Friday 23 December 2005 16:29, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> I've been meaning to get it into guidexml and make it a real project doc
> for a while now (and the accompanying porting guide), but haven't had
> time. Anybody who wants to help out by doing this is quite welcome to do
> so.
>
Here's one I smashed together just now:
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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE guide SYSTEM "/dtd/guide.dtd">
<!-- $Header$ -->

<guide link="unknown" lang="en">
<title>Migrating to Modular X HOWTO</title>

<author title="Author">
  <mail link="spyderous@gentoo.org">Donnie Berkholz</mail>
</author>
<author title="Author">
    <mail link="?@gentoo.org">Joshua Baergen</mail>
</author>

<abstract>
This guide shows you how to migrate to modular X.Org
</abstract>

<!-- The content of this document is licensed under the CC-BY-SA license -->
<!-- See http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5 -->
<license/>

<version>?</version>
<date>?</date>

<chapter>
<title>Migrating to Modular X</title>

<section>
<title>Introduction</title>
<body>
    
<p>
To keep old packages from getting in the way, we're going to clean out all the
old xorg-x11 cruft before installing modular X. This isn't absolutely crucial,
but it will help ensure a smooth migration.
</p>
</body>
</section>

<section>
<title>First step: clean out your old X</title>
<body>
    
<p>
Before you start, make sure you have a package of the old, monolithic xorg-x11
built with <c>USE=dlloader</c> if the <c>dlloader</c> flag was available in that
version. It's not available in &gt;=6.8.99.15.
</p>

<pre caption="Backing up the old xorg-x11">
# <i>emerge gentoolkit</i>
# <i>quickpkg xorg-x11</i>
</pre>

<p>
Get rid of the monolithic installation:
</p>

<pre caption="Getting rid of the monolitic installation">
# <i>emerge -Ca xorg-x11</i>
# <i>rm -rf /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11</i>
# <i>rm -rf /usr/lib/libGL*</i>
</pre>

<p>
You definitely want a backup copy of the monolithic xorg-x11 so you can mix and
match parts if desired.
</p>

<p>
The later steps are helpful in getting rid of symlinks created by 
<c>opengl-update</c>.
</p>

<p>
If your <path>/usr/X11R6</path> isn't a symlink to <path>/usr</path>, delete it
and start from scratch. But first, save a list of all the packages installing
there.
</p>

<pre caption="???">
# <i>if [[ ! -L /usr/X11R6 ]]; \
	then equery belongs /usr/X11R6 > usr-x11r6-packages \
	&amp;&amp; rm -rf /usr/X11R6; fi</i>
</pre>

</body>
</section>

<section>
<title>Second step: Installing modular X</title>
<body>
    
<p>
First, add the required packages to <path>/etc/portage/package.unmask</path>.
Open <path>/usr/portage/profiles/package.mask</path> in your text editor of
choice, then copy and paste the full modular X mask over to
<path>package.unmask</path>. Do the same with <path>package.keywords</path> if
you're running stable.
</p>

<p>
For direct rendering, you'll want to activate the <c>dri</c> USE flag.
</p>

<p>
Now, install the metabuild.  This will install the server and popular
applications, giving you a working desktop implementation of X:
</p>

<pre caption="installing the modular metabuild">
# <i>emerge xorg-x11</i>
</pre>

<p>
Note that this install tries to be rather minimal, so things like xcursor-themes
are not installed by default.
</p>

<p>
Next, install some drivers. This will vary depending on your input and video
hardware, so take a look in <path>/usr/portage/x11-drivers/</path>. Here's a
sample:
</p>

<pre caption="Installing some drivers">
# <i>emerge xf86-input-mouse xf86-input-keyboard xf86-video-ati</i>
</pre>

<note>
With modular installed, external drivers such as nvidia-glx and wacom as well as
some vnc apps may not work if they install things to
<path>/usr/lib/modules</path> instead of <path>/usr/lib/xorg/modules</path>.
Many of these will have modular X detection added to the installation process
and thus will need to be re-merged after modular X install.
</note>
</body>
</section>
</chapter>

<chapter>
<title>Caveats/Common Problems</title>
<section>
<title>'emerge -u world' wants to install xorg-x11</title>
<body>

<p>
This is because the tree isn't fixed for modular dependencies yet. You can help
the porting effort by reading
<uri>http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/porting_to_modular_x_howto.txt</uri>
and filing bugs with patches to the individual package maintainers. The 
maintainers will be listed in metadata.xml in the same directory as the package,
and the 'herdstat' package will speed up querying for them.
</p>


</body>
</section>
<section>
<title>Driver problems</title>
<body>

<p>
I've had reports that:
</p>

<ul>
  <li>ati won't start X
    <ul>
      <li>But it works fine on my FireGL 8800</li>
      <li>
        Resolved by moving <path>/usr/lib/xorg/modules/multimedia</path> out of
        the way
      </li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>vesa locks up box with an mga card</li>
  <li>vga produces a very weird-looking screen, divided into quarters</li>
</ul>
</body>
</section>
<section>
<title>Getting glxinfo/glxgears</title>
<body>

<p>
The best way to deal with this is undecided by upstream so far, so there's an
ebuild in my overlay contributed by cardoe. Alternately, you can build them by
hand.
</p>

<p>
Option 1: 
<uri>http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/overlay/x11-misc/glx-utils/</uri>
</p>

<p>
I'm not going to tell you how to use an overlay, so if you don't know and are
too lazy to read the docs, use option 2.
</p>

<p>
Option 2: Build by hand
</p>

<pre caption="Build by hand">
# <i>emerge freeglut</i>
# <i>tar zxvf /usr/portage/distfiles/Mesa-6.3.1.1.tar.gz</i>
# <i>cd Mesa-6.3.1.1/configs</i>
# <i>ln -s linux-dri-x86 current</i>
# <i>cd ../progs/xdemos</i>
# <i>make glxinfo</i>
# <i>make glxgears</i>
# <i>cp glxinfo glxgears /usr/bin/</i>
</pre>

<p>
To get some debugging info from glxinfo to help in getting direct rendering
working:
</p>

<pre caption="Getting some debug info from glxinfo">
# <i>LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo</i>
</pre>
</body>
</section>
<section>
<title>Mouse protocol autodetection</title>
<body>

<p>
If you have <c>Protocol "auto"</c> set in xorg.conf for your mouse, it may not
work. You may need to specify <c>Protocol "ExplorerPS/2"</c> or <c>"IMPS/2"</c>
for your wheel to work.
</p>

</body>
</section>
<section>
<title>Where are imake/xmkmf?</title>
<body>

<p>
These are now in the tree. However, <c>gccmakedep</c> is not modularized yet
and thus the <c>imake</c> build system is still broken for some packages.
</p>
</body>
</section>
<section>
<title>Everything in /usr/lib/xorg disappeared!</title>
<body>

<p>
Remerge &gt;=xorg-server-0.99.1-r4. This was a temporary bug in the ebuild that 
resulted in deletion after removal of a package. Instead, 
<path>/usr/lib/xorg</path> should have only been deleted when no xorg-server
remained on the system.
</p>

</body>
</section>
<section>
<title>gdm/kdm don't work</title>
<body>

<p>
If you installed modular X on a fresh Gentoo installation, you may not have a 
<path>/usr/X11R6</path> -&gt; <path>/usr</path> symlink. Try creating one; no
ebuild does yet.
</p>

<p>
You can help get things out of <path>/usr/X11R6</path> by fixing the packages
that do it and filing bugs.
</p>

</body>
</section>
<section>
<title>Other Issues</title>
<body>

<ul>
  <li>
    The <c>trap</c> module will give errors on starting X, because the
    modular <c>xorg-server</c> doesn't build it yet. You may want to copy it
    over from your old X installation.
  </li>
  <li>
    Make sure your <path>xorg.conf</path> doesn't list <c>ModulePath</c>,
    because this directory changed from <path>/usr/lib/modules</path> to
    <path>/usr/lib/xorg/modules</path>.
  </li>
</ul>
</body>
</section>
</chapter>
</guide>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[Alexandre Buisse]

On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 00:49:35 +0100, Joshua Baergen wrote:

> As many of you no doubt have noticed, spyderous and I finished bumping 
> the modular packages to the newly released 7.0, which includes many 
> changes and bug fixes since 6.8.2.  Over the next few weeks we'll be 
> finalizing licenses and other necessities.  To whoever has been using 
> modular for awhile: please let us know of any issues you currently have, 
> or had during upgrading.

Hi,

I'm not totally sure this is related to 7.0 but I had the issue after
the emerge -u world that had 7.0 : it seems rgb.txt has been moved, from
a place I can't remember now (most probably /usr/X11R6/rgb.txt) to
/usr/share/X11/rgb.txt.
I just had to update xorg.conf, but having white showing up as pink and
not being able to launch any term was a surprise at first :)

Thanks for your great work with modular X!

Regards,
Alexandre
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Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[Peter Cech]

On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 10:31:25AM +0100, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 00:49:35 +0100, Joshua Baergen wrote:
> 
> > As many of you no doubt have noticed, spyderous and I finished bumping 
> > the modular packages to the newly released 7.0, which includes many 
> > changes and bug fixes since 6.8.2.  Over the next few weeks we'll be 
> > finalizing licenses and other necessities.  To whoever has been using 
> > modular for awhile: please let us know of any issues you currently have, 
> > or had during upgrading.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not totally sure this is related to 7.0 but I had the issue after
> the emerge -u world that had 7.0 : it seems rgb.txt has been moved, from
> a place I can't remember now (most probably /usr/X11R6/rgb.txt) to
> /usr/share/X11/rgb.txt.
> I just had to update xorg.conf, but having white showing up as pink and
> not being able to launch any term was a surprise at first :)

I also got problems with the path to rgb.txt. In my case, the
consequences were less dramatic: xmms looked very ugly and all tcl/tk
applications failed to run (error was something about being unable to
run application Black).

I solved my problems by commenting RgbPath setting in xorg.conf. I would
suggest the line with RgbPath is commented in xorg.conf.example.

Regards,
Peter Cech
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Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[Joshua Baergen]

Peter Cech wrote:
> I solved my problems by commenting RgbPath setting in xorg.conf. I would
> suggest the line with RgbPath is commented in xorg.conf.example.
>   
While I'll respond here, it's generally better to post these sorts of 
issues on bugs.gentoo.org (searching first!), as they don't really 
belong on this list and no doubt others will have the same issues.

 From the xorg-x11 metabuild:

        # Filter out ModulePath line since it often holds a now-invalid path
        # Bug #112924
        # For RC3 - filter out RgbPath line since it also seems to break 
things
        <some excluded code that does just that>

After merging xorg-x11, running etc-update will rid your xorg.conf of 
these lines.  This functionality has been around for a month or so in 
the ebuild iirc.

I believe that xorg.conf.sample is not provided by 7.0 currently, so 
you're probably looking at a 6.8.x version.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[Shyam Mani]

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John Myers wrote:

> Here's one I smashed together just now:

Thanks, this is now up at [1] and [2]. I just made a few minor changes.

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/?catid=upgrade
[2] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/modular-x-howto.xml

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Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[Greg KH]

On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 01:56:03PM +0530, Shyam Mani wrote:
> [2] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/modular-x-howto.xml

You mean:
	http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml
right?

thanks,

greg k-h
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Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Greg KH wrote:
| On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 01:56:03PM +0530, Shyam Mani wrote:
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|>[2] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/modular-x-howto.xml
|
|
| You mean:
| 	http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml
| right?

Yeah we decided to move it to within the desktop project. Thanks for
pointing this out.

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.0 Release

[Greg KH]

On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 05:24:52PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 01:56:03PM +0530, Shyam Mani wrote:
> > [2] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/modular-x-howto.xml
> 
> You mean:
> 	http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml
> right?

FYI, I converted over my new pain-in-the-ass laptop that didn't work
with X 6.8 to this release and it's working wonderfully.

Very nice job.

greg k-h
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