[gentoo-dev] RFC: disallowing multiple votes per person in council meetings

[gentoo-dev] RFC: disallowing multiple votes per person in council meetings

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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Possible proposal: the current council meeting rules be updated with
one of the following two clauses:

> Each person at a council meeting may represent only one voting role.

Or:

> A proxy must not be an existing council member, and any single person
> may not be a proxy for more than one person at any given meeting.

(The difference being, the former allows a council member to appoint
another council member as their proxy, so long as said member forfeits
their own role.)

Advantages:

* It would allow voters to see how people are likely to behave if they
are voted in in future elections. (Assumption: many people who are
appointed as proxies will stand in future elections.)

* It will lead to increased discussion, which in turn means the council
is more likely to notice any problems with items on the agenda.

* It will avoid having council meetings made up of two or three council
members, all acting as proxies for other members.

* This fits in better with the way I was intending proxies to work when
I wrote the slacker boot proposal, rather than the way they've ended up
working due to insufficient pedantry in the original description :)

Arguable disadvantage:

* It makes it harder for council members to all go "oops, can't make
it, so vapier is my proxy" at the last minute.

On the same subject, I'd also like to see the "meeting participants"
table updated to explicitly list proxies, for example in the form
"jaervosz (for koon)".

Thoughts?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: disallowing multiple votes per person in council meetings

[Henrik Brix Andersen]

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On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 08:20:36PM +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Possible proposal: the current council meeting rules be updated with
> one of the following two clauses:
>
> > A proxy must not be an existing council member, and any single person
> > may not be a proxy for more than one person at any given meeting.
> 
> (The difference being, the former allows a council member to appoint
> another council member as their proxy, so long as said member forfeits
> their own role.)

I think the latter makes more sense - only allowing non-council
members to represent absent council members. That is how it works in
the boards I have been involved with.

> * It will lead to increased discussion, which in turn means the council
> is more likely to notice any problems with items on the agenda.
>
> * It will avoid having council meetings made up of two or three council
> members, all acting as proxies for other members.

More eyes on the matter is a good thing. If we allow council members
to proxy for other council members we might end up with quite a few
eyes on the discussion...

> * This fits in better with the way I was intending proxies to work when
> I wrote the slacker boot proposal, rather than the way they've ended up
> working due to insufficient pedantry in the original description :)

Sounds good to me.

> Arguable disadvantage:
> 
> * It makes it harder for council members to all go "oops, can't make
> it, so vapier is my proxy" at the last minute.

Yeah, well - I think we can live with that. How many times has the
proxy function been used so far?

> On the same subject, I'd also like to see the "meeting participants"
> table updated to explicitly list proxies, for example in the form
> "jaervosz (for koon)".

Yes, that would be natural.

./Brix
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Henrik Brix Andersen <brix@gentoo.org>
Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobile computing herd

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Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: disallowing multiple votes per person in council meetings

[Thierry Carrez]

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Possible proposal: the current council meeting rules be updated with
> one of the following two clauses:
> 
>>Each person at a council meeting may represent only one voting role.
> 
> Or:
> 
>>A proxy must not be an existing council member, and any single person
>>may not be a proxy for more than one person at any given meeting.

I'm in favor of the latter, especially due to the following advantages :

> * It would allow voters to see how people are likely to behave if they
> are voted in in future elections. (Assumption: many people who are
> appointed as proxies will stand in future elections.)
> 
> * It will lead to increased discussion, which in turn means the council
> is more likely to notice any problems with items on the agenda.

About the disadvantage, the "missing two consecutive meetings" rule for
the slacker points still protects a council member from accidental
last-minute no-proxy failure. And for the meeting itself, the difference
between "missing" and "proxied by an already-present council member" is
not really significant.

> On the same subject, I'd also like to see the "meeting participants"
> table updated to explicitly list proxies, for example in the form
> "jaervosz (for koon)".

Sure, would help toward the advantage #1. Would also help identifying
council members that have a tendancy to miss meetings, to make better
choices in future elections.

-- 
Thierry Carrez (Koon)
Recently-proxied council member
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Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: disallowing multiple votes per person in council meetings

[Mike Frysinger]

On Thursday 15 December 2005 15:20, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> one of the following two clauses:
> > Each person at a council meeting may represent only one voting role.
>
> Or:
> > A proxy must not be an existing council member, and any single person
> > may not be a proxy for more than one person at any given meeting.

i'm for the latter version

> * It makes it harder for council members to all go "oops, can't make
> it, so vapier is my proxy" at the last minute.

well, i could proxy for three of them and SpanKY could proxy for the other 
three ... i bet we'd put on a good show

> On the same subject, I'd also like to see the "meeting participants"
> table updated to explicitly list proxies, for example in the form
> "jaervosz (for koon)".

i pointed out that we were already going to do this and it was done earlier 
this weekend ... however, i did "koon (proxied by jaervosz)" ...
-mike
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