From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EedeD-0007jt-R5 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:17:46 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAMJH2ET026790; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:17:02 GMT Received: from mailrelay1.tu-graz.ac.at (mailrelay.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.2.202]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAMJDl77031753 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:13:47 GMT Received: from localhost (M2563P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at [212.183.52.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailrelay1.tu-graz.ac.at (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAMJDjGl029367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:13:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:13:57 +0100 From: Wernfried Haas To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation Message-ID: <20051122191356.GA20138@superlupo.rechner> References: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> <20051122143743.GV5305@sole.infis.univ.trieste.it> <1132672444.27288.18.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <438338AE.1060501@gentoo.org> <1132674486.27288.24.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <20051122161515.GA26713@superlupo.rechner> <1132677184.27288.40.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1132677184.27288.40.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel (Linux) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.27.10.18 X-Archives-Salt: 57279e0f-a6e6-49ec-a3ca-d5f9e74a9cd0 X-Archives-Hash: 2552272530722daa1ea3ea13ca023da5 On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 11:33:04AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Just because you downloaded them previously does not mean you didn't > download them. Yes, but i already have them and don't need to download them any more in this scenario. > > Btw, if i use stage 3 and then emerge -e world to recompile my whole > > system with -omg-optimized i assume stage 3 may lose against stage 1 > > and compiling -omg-optimized from the beginning. Not that it makes > > much sense to do that though. > > *sigh* > > You have proven my point. Thank you. No i haven't, but you're still welcome. Maybe i was not clear enough about the definition of losing (see below). > If you compile the same sources > with the same settings, you get the same output. It doesn't matter if > you started from a stage1, stage2, stage3, or stage4 tarball. Sorry, I wasn't really refering to the output but the bytes used for downloading the stage and the distfiles. Assuming emerge -e world compiles exactly the same packages (same versions as well) as stage 1 would mean you're a bit better off with stage 1 because it's slightly smaller. Hence stage 3 may lose by a few bytes here. Look, i'm not arguing with you and even though i think stage 1 has some cool features here i agree removing it may be a good idea. I just wanted to point out there are _some_ specific situations where you're better off with stage 1 under certain circumstances because you asked if there's anything stage 1 can do that 3 doesn't. ;-) cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org Gentoo Forums: http://forums.gentoo.org IRC: #gentoo-forums on freenode - email: forum-mods at gentoo dot org -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list