From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EedWF-0003ij-VD for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:09:32 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAMJ8Hs4021287; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:08:17 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAMJ4Rh4017356 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:04:27 GMT Received: from bmb24.med.uth.tmc.edu ([129.106.207.24] helo=localhost) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1EedRK-0006Bw-Te for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:04:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:04:26 -0600 From: Grant Goodyear To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation Message-ID: <20051122190426.GD16984@bmb24.uth.tmc.edu> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> <438330E1.2000804@gentoo.org> <1132672527.27288.21.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <20051122180349.GC16984@bmb24.uth.tmc.edu> <20051122181747.27c484b3@snowdrop.home> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pAwQNkOnpTn9IO2O" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051122181747.27c484b3@snowdrop.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Archives-Salt: fe7a6597-2716-4561-a727-6a7395c806f7 X-Archives-Hash: 46a66a96ec3c19afe853df9bb818a2fd --pAwQNkOnpTn9IO2O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [Tue Nov 22 2005, 12:17:47PM CST] > On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:03:49 -0600 Grant Goodyear > wrote: > | I keep hearing this, isn't there a real difference between a stage 1 > | and a stage 3 install inasmuch as somebody who needs (or wants) to > | dramatically tailor what's in the system profile can choose to do so > | from a stage 1 or 2, but would have to remove packages after the fact > | if starting from a stage 3? I wouldn't have a problem with that, as > | long as we document it >=20 > emerge -e world && emerge -e world && emerge depclean Cool. Why rebuild twice? Any chance we could add this to the FAQ? > | but it just seems that the claim that the old and new methods produce > | _exactly_ the same results seems to be stretching things a bit. >=20 > How do you think stage3s are built in the first place? Sorry, poor phrasing on my part. Of course it's true that if one follows the handbook (either the current or the previous version), then one ends up with the same system regardless of whether or not a stage1, stage2, or stage3 is used. What I intended to suggest was that tinkering at the system level is less obviously accomplished when starting from a stage3, so the occasional assertion I've read that starting from a stage 1 or stage 2 provides no benefits over starting =66rom a stage 1 or 2 didn't seem right to me. In any event, I don't mind the handbook changes, although I'd perhaps like to see the FAQ for starting from a stage 1 fleshed out a tad, such as including a paragraph of why one might not want to do that. Perhaps steal from whomever posted a treatise on the issue some time ago (either rac or avenj, I don't remember which)? -g2boojum- --=20 Grant Goodyear=09 Gentoo Developer g2boojum@gentoo.org http://www.gentoo.org/~g2boojum GPG Fingerprint: D706 9802 1663 DEF5 81B0 9573 A6DC 7152 E0F6 5B76 --pAwQNkOnpTn9IO2O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDg2u6ptxxUuD2W3YRAjQsAJ0TReChPacYhh7LW+aC4aoha6ClFACcCQ5v vk8dogDSF2IJmUO0oAo/q8c= =Wx8G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pAwQNkOnpTn9IO2O-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list