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From: Kurt Lieber <klieber@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Council Responsibilities (was: Email subdomain)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:57:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051119135707.GP12982@mail.lieber.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <437EF0EB.3030109@gentoo.org>

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On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 10:31:23AM +0100 or thereabouts, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> What I find disturbing here is that nobody found the issue interesting
> enough to read the October Council decisions as to what was needed to be
> changed for the GLEP to be approved. 

I think there's some validity to this point, but I actually hold the
members of the council at least partially repsonsible for the lack of
communication.

<my opinion>
The council is not only responsible for making decisions when consensus
cannot be reached.  They're also responsible for proactive communication.
I don't think it's reasonable to expect all devs to read through full IRC
transcripts, sift out the nonsense, distill it down to its salient points
and then decide how it fits with their own particular views on Gentoo. 

The council needs to take a more active role in posting meeting minutes and
proactively communicating with the dev community, rather than expecting
everyone to come to them to figure out what's going on.
</my opinion>

> You can't just ignore the discussion and the iterim decisions and
> complain afterwards when the decision is taken.

You can't reasonably expect all Gentoo devs to read through unfiltered IRC
logs to figure out what discussion went on.

And, just for the record, s/Gentoo Council/Gentoo Trustees/ and I feel the
exact same way -- we, as trustees, need to do a better job about
communicating as well.

--kurt



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-19 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-18 17:09 [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain Homer Parker
2005-11-18 17:32 ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2005-11-18 22:01   ` Curtis Napier
2005-11-18 22:08     ` Homer Parker
2005-11-18 22:14     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-18 22:44       ` Curtis Napier
2005-11-18 22:55         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-18 23:18           ` Scott Stoddard
2005-11-18 23:21             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-19 15:43             ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2005-11-18 23:29         ` Kurt Lieber
2005-11-18 23:34           ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-21 10:15             ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-18 23:40           ` Luca Barbato
2005-11-18 23:46           ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-19  0:54             ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-19  1:19               ` Luis F. Araujo
2005-11-19  1:36               ` George Prowse
2005-11-19  1:52               ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-19  4:22             ` Corey Shields
2005-11-19  4:31               ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-19  4:42                 ` Corey Shields
2005-11-19  4:47                   ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-19 15:20                   ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-19 16:46                     ` Thierry Carrez
2005-11-19 17:20                       ` Corey Shields
2005-11-19 17:52                         ` Corey Shields
2005-11-19 17:25                       ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-19 17:49                         ` Thierry Carrez
2005-11-19 18:24                           ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-19 18:32                           ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-19 18:05                       ` Matti Bickel
2005-11-19 21:05                   ` Danny van Dyk
2005-11-19 21:20                     ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-19 22:19                       ` Brian Harring
2005-11-19 22:46                         ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-19 22:46                         ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-19 23:38                           ` Brian Harring
2005-11-20  0:05                             ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-20  0:52                               ` Brian Harring
2005-11-19 23:06                         ` Corey Shields
2005-11-20  0:09                           ` Brian Harring
2005-11-20  0:31                             ` Corey Shields
2005-11-19 22:17                     ` Corey Shields
2005-11-23  0:52                       ` Danny van Dyk
2005-11-18 23:47           ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-18 23:47           ` Scott Stoddard
2005-11-19  0:02           ` Curtis Napier
2005-11-19  0:07           ` Homer Parker
2005-11-19  0:17             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-19  0:22             ` Kurt Lieber
2005-11-19  0:42               ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-18 23:58         ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-19  0:07           ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-19  0:38             ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-19  1:13               ` Luis F. Araujo
2005-11-19  1:25                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-19  1:55                   ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-19  2:03                   ` Scott Stoddard
2005-11-19  2:07                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-19  2:17                       ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-19 16:21                         ` Tres Melton
2005-11-19  2:27                       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-19  2:49                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-19  2:59                           ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-19  3:13                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-19  4:30                             ` Stephen P. Becker
2005-11-19  8:11                               ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-19 14:33                                 ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-19  3:01                           ` Luis F. Araujo
2005-11-19  2:15               ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-19 21:34                 ` Corey Shields
2005-11-19  2:53                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-19  3:01                     ` George Prowse
2005-11-19  3:16                       ` Corey Shields
2005-11-19  3:40                         ` George Prowse
2005-11-19  3:45                           ` Corey Shields
2005-11-19  4:02                             ` George Prowse
2005-11-19  4:18                               ` Corey Shields
2005-11-19  8:39                                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-19  9:23                                   ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-19 23:46                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2005-11-20  0:13                                       ` Luis Medinas
2005-11-20  1:45                                       ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-19  3:09                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Corey Shields
2005-11-19  3:23                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-19  3:35                         ` Corey Shields
2005-11-22 23:06                       ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-19  9:31                   ` Thierry Carrez
2005-11-19  9:46                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-19 11:00                       ` Thierry Carrez
2005-11-19 11:07                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-19 16:06                         ` Carsten Lohrke
2005-11-19  9:55                     ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-19 11:09                       ` Thierry Carrez
2005-11-19 11:24                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-19 11:48                         ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-19 13:57                     ` Kurt Lieber [this message]
2005-11-19 14:23                       ` [gentoo-dev] Council Responsibilities (was: Email subdomain) Kurt Lieber
2005-11-19  1:09             ` [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain Luis F. Araujo
2005-11-19  5:33               ` Mike Frysinger
2005-11-19  5:54                 ` Kurt Lieber
2005-11-19  7:10                   ` Mike Frysinger
2005-11-19 19:48               ` Sven Vermeulen
2005-11-19 21:50                 ` Scott Stoddard
2005-11-19 21:57                 ` George Prowse
2005-11-19 22:08                   ` George Prowse
2005-11-20 14:08                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-19 21:59                 ` Mike Cvet
2005-11-19 22:01                 ` Lares Moreau
2005-11-19 22:18                 ` Patrick McLean
2005-11-19 22:29                   ` Corey Shields
2005-11-19 22:27                 ` Tres Melton
2005-11-19 22:40                   ` Brian Harring
2005-11-19 23:07                     ` Corey Shields
2005-11-19 23:45                   ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-19 22:32                 ` Ben Skeggs
2005-11-22 23:19                   ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-22 23:56                     ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-23 15:38                       ` [gentoo-dev] R/O CVS access and its purpose for ATs (was Email subdomain) Daniel Ostrow
2005-11-23 16:04                         ` Kurt Lieber
2005-11-23 16:30                         ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-24 14:46                           ` George Prowse
2005-11-24 16:31                             ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-18 19:31 ` [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain Wernfried Haas
2005-11-18 20:01   ` George Prowse
2005-11-18 21:06 ` Max
2005-11-18 22:17   ` Olivier Crete
2005-11-19  5:32   ` Mike Frysinger
2005-11-19 16:16 ` Lares Moreau
2005-11-19 15:51   ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2005-11-19 16:38   ` Brian Harring
2005-11-19 16:46     ` Lares Moreau
2005-11-21 10:19 ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-22 23:26   ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-23 10:39     ` [gentoo-dev] Possible solution: email subdomain Duncan
2005-11-23 14:40       ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-23 18:47         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-23 19:07           ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-23 19:34             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-23 19:47               ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-23 22:28           ` Kurt Lieber
2005-11-23 23:07             ` Duncan

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