From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EYXAa-0008Ud-2F for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:09:56 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jA5N9Bs1022451; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:09:11 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA5N7Jhb018379 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:07:20 GMT Received: from 82-41-57-20.cable.ubr08.edin.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.41.57.20] helo=snowdrop.home) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1EYX83-0007gv-6w for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:07:19 +0000 Received: from localhost.home ([127.0.0.1] helo=snowdrop.home) by snowdrop.home with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EYX7w-0000p0-9B for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:07:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:07:09 +0000 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two Message-ID: <20051105230709.17ecd036@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <436D32F3.7010809@gentoo.org> References: <20051105005814.0de0d8ff@snowdrop.home> <436C8951.4010008@gentoo.org> <20051105173426.1ce20468@snowdrop.home> <436D32F3.7010809@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.99-rc2 (GTK+ 2.6.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Signature_Sat__5_Nov_2005_23_07_09_+0000_KbXLQqSp9YLZ0_Q8; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: 5ba2731b-4c19-48c7-824e-8a4e19d4d724 X-Archives-Hash: cd7293e928b57ba6acb9672fb09a870c --Signature_Sat__5_Nov_2005_23_07_09_+0000_KbXLQqSp9YLZ0_Q8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:32:19 +0100 Grobian wrote: | I was referring to the item-name. It is defined to allow "-", whild | the fields are also separated with "-". Hence I suggested to allow | "_" in the item-name instead of "-" to avoid (possible) problems when | parsing the field. The fields are separated with .s. Underscores for the name don't make parsing any more or less difficult. | > | In any case, elaborate on why supporting only OR was chosen and | > | why other (probably investigated) options were discarded (and | > | hence make my statement above unnecessary). | >=20 | > The previous draft had an option for and or none-of modes. I took it | > out because I don't think it's going to be anywhere near as useful | > as one might initially think. |=20 | I'd appreciate it if that would be documented and grounded. Actually, I'm starting to think Jason's idea works best. | Then what is the point in requiring it is correct English? (Not even=20 | considering the big difference between UK/US English) You can and | will not enforce it. Everyone writing such news item will do her/his | best to make it sound like real English, and perhaps ask for help, | but that's it. Hence my suggestion to put the doc writers in the | loop somehow. What makes you suppose that the doc writers are the most qualified English language speakers? | > | Does portage only 'warn' and still continue, or does it completely | > | stop when an unread news item is found for a package that is to be | > | upgraded? In the first case, the 'preemptive' requirement is being | > | violated, in the latter, the option for a '--force' or something | > | must be discussed. (Users with multiple systems might already | > | know the message, or users might not be interested in it since | > | they don't run the application in production.) | >=20 | > Portage only *warns* you if you try to unmerge glibc... |=20 | Which means you won't be able to satisfy your "preemptive" | requirement. Not at all. You can warn users repeatedly, but there comes a point when trying to warn them any further becomes futile. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Anti-XML, anti-newbie conspiracy) Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm --Signature_Sat__5_Nov_2005_23_07_09_+0000_KbXLQqSp9YLZ0_Q8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDbTsf96zL6DUtXhERAj1TAJ9FL7w6PJ4frdDrXdlfaSb17CIcEwCggnJu 4JfJbdrz0TvZE7oH/UdlTrI= =ibP6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature_Sat__5_Nov_2005_23_07_09_+0000_KbXLQqSp9YLZ0_Q8-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list