From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ESfoP-0001oo-MC for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:10:50 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id j9KJ828L020656; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:08:02 GMT Received: from sa6.bezeqint.net (sa6.bezeqint.net [192.115.104.20]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j9KJ6Jwv009638 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:06:19 GMT Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sa6.bezeqint.net (Bezeq International SMTP out Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB64633D55 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:08:55 +0200 (IST) Received: from sa6.bezeqint.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sa6 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11149-09 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:08:52 +0200 (IST) Received: from alpha.danarmak.homelinux.net (unknown [81.218.66.40]) by sa6.bezeqint.net (Bezeq International SMTP out Mail Server) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:08:52 +0200 (IST) Received: by alpha.danarmak.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 1011) id 4CFB418831E; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:31:41 +0200 (GMT-2) Received: from beta.danarmak.homelinux.net (beta.danarmak.homelinux.net [10.0.3.86]) by alpha.danarmak.homelinux.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EE418831A for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:31:28 +0200 (GMT-2) From: Dan Armak Organization: Gentoo Technologies, Inc. To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:08:23 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.92 References: <4357432E.2020009@gentoo.org> <200510201526.47620.danarmak@gentoo.org> <4357E3E1.4070307@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4357E3E1.4070307@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1541767.4QSoPkaA6O"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200510202108.33776.danarmak@gentoo.org> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bezeqint.net X-Archives-Salt: 1b3bfbd4-bf6d-4332-ab46-0fcc3c1b8393 X-Archives-Hash: a1162f6cb6bb7adb45a9ae4d86400eb4 --nextPart1541767.4QSoPkaA6O Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:37, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > I'd prefer that people don't come to depend on metabuilds at all.=20 OK, we can do this. > See=20 > http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/porting_to_modular_x_howto.txt. That file says there won't be any x11-related virtuals anymore. Are you sur= e=20 no package uses it in the sense of 'any X server' instead of 'any X client= =20 libs+headers'? > Couple of ideas here. > > 1) We do as you suggest, and make people emerge xorg-x11 > 2) KDE could add a USE=3DX and dep X? ( xorg-server ) (2) is bad for several reasons: =46irstly, as I said in my other replies, this would change the current mea= ning=20 of the X USE flag. The original meaning would stay without a flag. Today it means 'enable support for clienside X11'. You want to make it mean= =20 'install X11 server'. If I'm building a headless box without an X11 server,= =20 but I do want to emerge KDE and run it over ssh -Y from another box, I need= =20 two useflags to specify this. But even if we introduce a new USE flag=20 'Xserver', on by default where X is on by default, and used as you describe= =20 above, the problems I describe below will remain. Secondly, there can be more than one X11 server (kdrive, etc). Depending on= =20 xorg-server is bad. If anything, we should introduce a virtual/x11-server. Thirdly, it's a 'convenience dep': whether xorg-server is installed or not= =20 won't affect the behavior of KDE in any way (given a working DISPLAY=20 setting). =46inally, it requires that extra change to (ideally) all X11 client apps. = It's=20 not intuitive, and so easy to forget when writing new ebuilds. > We will still install some fonts, but not all, and I'll note that in the > metabuilds text. Which ones? Selected how? I'm asking because I don't want to work too hard = on=20 deciding which fonts KDE should depend on :-) =2D-=20 Dan Armak Gentoo Linux developer (KDE) Public GPG key: http://dev.gentoo.org/~danarmak/danarmak-gpg-public.key =46ingerprint: DD70 DBF9 E3D4 6CB9 2FDD 0069 508D 9143 8D5F 8951 --nextPart1541767.4QSoPkaA6O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDV+sxUI2RQ41fiVERAjshAKCCDkK7FUqbehIwpkd+i0bNbR7ovQCfXMwy //OlZ3ax8H/8e8igUOnTngE= =TmF1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1541767.4QSoPkaA6O-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list