From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKGQs-00066I-0I for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:27:46 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id j8REK5Ej003335; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:20:05 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j8REIOfk019962 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:18:24 GMT Received: from zh034158.ppp.dion.ne.jp ([222.3.34.158] helo=opteron246.suzuki-stubbs.home) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1EKGOb-0007Jd-Fk for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:25:25 +0000 Received: by opteron246.suzuki-stubbs.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0716C248D4A; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:25:37 +0900 (JST) From: Jason Stubbs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Dirt: To shove under the rug or not shove under the rug? (aka another round of USE_EXPAND) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:25:36 +0900 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.91 References: <200509271823.25788.jstubbs@gentoo.org> <200509272151.17297.jstubbs@gentoo.org> <200509271544.17173@enterprise.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org> In-Reply-To: <200509271544.17173@enterprise.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509272325.36827.jstubbs@gentoo.org> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id j8REIOfk019962 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id j8REK5GL003335 X-Archives-Salt: 9dadd052-f33b-4924-8265-4a02d3e7009e X-Archives-Hash: 86c075373c7ed3600edbe3d7b31e309f On Tuesday 27 September 2005 22:44, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten=C3=B2 wrote: > On Tuesday 27 September 2005 14:51, Jason Stubbs wrote: > > Variables are _not_ fine. I would think it should be clear to everybo= dy > > by now that ebuilds can not pick random things from the computer they= are > > installing on to define how they will build. > > If variables are not fine, so can't be find thigns like profile arch, i= sn't > it? But that was a solution chosen for the merge of x86 and amd64... > And the same goes with quite everything defined on profile level, like = the > others. ARCH has been specifically protected so that whatever the profile sets it= what=20 the ebuilds see, regardless of the user's environment (except for /etc/portage/profile/make.defaults) > I still think that to users it shouldn't give a damn about ELIBC, USERL= AND > and KERNEL, as they can just be mislead by thinking that they can chang= e > anything about that.. I'm not suggesting that it should be shown. I'm stating that USE_EXPAND'e= d=20 variables in general should be shown to the users. Whether there's a prof= ile=20 control file to hide specific variables is another question. > How we can test for and condition dependencies with special profiles ot= hers > than this way? Figure out what you want and then get it supported. Right now, the only=20 variables that you're guaranteed to see in an ebuild function are ARCH an= d=20 the variables that you find in the ebuild(5) man page. -- Jason Stubbs --=20 gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list