[gentoo-dev] Say no to static libraries!

[gentoo-dev] Say no to static libraries!

[Ervin Németh]

But how?

If I do a "du -hc /usr/lib/lib*.a | tail -n1", it shows 63M. And I
really don't need them.

Why INSTALL_MASK="*.a" is bad?

  * It would break bash, because the ebuild expects a static libcurses.

  * It would not save compile time. I would really appreciate if gtk+
compiled twice as fast.

Solution?

For automake packages it is as simple as giving a --disable-static to configure.

Any thoughts?


/Ervin

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Say no to static libraries!

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Thursday 22 September 2005 11:23, Ervin Németh wrote:
> But how?
>
> If I do a "du -hc /usr/lib/lib*.a | tail -n1", it shows 63M. And I
> really don't need them.
>
> Why INSTALL_MASK="*.a" is bad?
>
>   * It would break bash, because the ebuild expects a static libcurses.
>
>   * It would not save compile time. I would really appreciate if gtk+
> compiled twice as fast.
>
> Solution?
>
> For automake packages it is as simple as giving a --disable-static to
> configure.
>
> Any thoughts?

Certain packages require static libs, but indeed for many they could be 
left out.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Say no to static libraries!

[Mike Frysinger]

On Thursday 22 September 2005 05:23 am, Ervin Németh wrote:
>   * It would break bash, because the ebuild expects a static libcurses.

well, yes and no ... if static ncurses is unavailable, the bash ebuild will 
use the bundled gnutermcap (which sucks hard compared to ncurses)

> For automake packages it is as simple as giving a --disable-static to
> configure.

you can put 'EXTRA_ECONF=--disable-static' into your /etc/make.conf ...
-mike

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Ervin Nemeth]

Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Thursday 22 September 2005 05:23 am, Ervin Németh wrote:
>>For automake packages it is as simple as giving a --disable-static to
>>configure.
> 
> 
> you can put 'EXTRA_ECONF=--disable-static' into your /etc/make.conf ...

Thanks Mika, it works perfectly!

Now let's do the same for xorg-x11, zlib, acl, attr, db, jpeg and so on.

Do you feel the need for a new USE flag?


/Ervin
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Philippe Trottier]

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Ervin Nemeth wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> 
>>On Thursday 22 September 2005 05:23 am, Ervin Németh wrote:
>>
>>>For automake packages it is as simple as giving a --disable-static to
>>>configure.
>>
>>
>>you can put 'EXTRA_ECONF=--disable-static' into your /etc/make.conf ...
> 
> 
> Thanks Mika, it works perfectly!
> 
> Now let's do the same for xorg-x11, zlib, acl, attr, db, jpeg and so on.
> 
> Do you feel the need for a new USE flag?

Some people, like me, uses these static libraries, a lot, so a USE flag
would be the way to go.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Ervin Nemeth wrote:
| Now let's do the same for xorg-x11,

Ha, good luck trying to pass standard configure options into imake.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Friday 23 September 2005 10:45, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Ervin Nemeth wrote:
> | Now let's do the same for xorg-x11,
>
> Ha, good luck trying to pass standard configure options into imake.

I though the 7.0 release of xorg-x11 would be split AND autotooled ;-)

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Thomas de Grenier de Latour]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:10:11 +0200
Ervin Nemeth <ervin.nemeth@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you feel the need for a new USE flag?

There is already a "static" flag, and that's what it actually does
for some packages (most gnome-related libs for instance).

Side note: i'm not saying it's the perfect solution though, at
least not until USE-deps get supported by portage... Imho,
it's two different things to "statically compile an application"
and to "also provide the static version of a library".  If it was
two separate flags, i would probably leave the first one off, but
turn on the second, because i care less about the wasted space than
about random compilation issues with packages who want libxml2.a or
things like that.  Sure with USE-deps it would be different since
this packages could depend on "dev-libs/libxml2:+static" (or
whatever syntax it will be). 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Mike Frysinger]

On Friday 23 September 2005 05:02 am, Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:10:11 +0200
>
> Ervin Nemeth <ervin.nemeth@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Do you feel the need for a new USE flag?
>
> There is already a "static" flag, and that's what it actually does
> for some packages (most gnome-related libs for instance).

the static USE flags is NOT for controlling the generation of static 
libraries ... if packages exhibit that behavior, they are broken, please file 
bugs
-mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Mike Frysinger]

On Friday 23 September 2005 04:10 am, Ervin Nemeth wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Thursday 22 September 2005 05:23 am, Ervin Németh wrote:
> >>For automake packages it is as simple as giving a --disable-static to
> >>configure.
> >
> > you can put 'EXTRA_ECONF=--disable-static' into your /etc/make.conf ...
>
> Now let's do the same for xorg-x11, zlib, acl, attr, db, jpeg and so on.
>
> Do you feel the need for a new USE flag?

i dont feel the need to change anything.  you already have two good examples 
for controlling static libraries on your system.
-mike

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Ervin Nemeth]

Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Ervin Nemeth wrote:
> | Now let's do the same for xorg-x11,
> 
> Ha, good luck trying to pass standard configure options into imake.

I see, but how about defining ForceNormalLib as NO in host.def?


/Ervin
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Mike Frysinger]

On Friday 23 September 2005 09:53 am, Ervin Nemeth wrote:
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > Ervin Nemeth wrote:
> > | Now let's do the same for xorg-x11,
> >
> > Ha, good luck trying to pass standard configure options into imake.
>
> I see, but how about defining ForceNormalLib as NO in host.def?

probably best to just leave monolithic xorg-x11 alone

it produces a bunch of static-only libraries
-mike
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Ervin Nemeth]

Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Friday 23 September 2005 04:10 am, Ervin Nemeth wrote:
> 
>>Mike Frysinger wrote:
>>
>>>On Thursday 22 September 2005 05:23 am, Ervin Németh wrote:
>>>
>>>>For automake packages it is as simple as giving a --disable-static to
>>>>configure.
>>>
>>>you can put 'EXTRA_ECONF=--disable-static' into your /etc/make.conf ...
>>
>>Now let's do the same for xorg-x11, zlib, acl, attr, db, jpeg and so on.
>>
>>Do you feel the need for a new USE flag?
> 
> i dont feel the need to change anything.  you already have two good examples 
> for controlling static libraries on your system.

I've got no full solution.

The EXTRA_ECONF way works only for automake packages.

Using INSTALL_MASK='*.a' makes me really, really terrified if I think
about sys-devel/gcc.


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[gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Ervin Nemeth]

Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Friday 23 September 2005 09:53 am, Ervin Nemeth wrote:
>>I see, but how about defining ForceNormalLib as NO in host.def?
> 
> it produces a bunch of static-only libraries

And ForceNormalLib doesn't affect those libraries. INSTALL_MASK does,
however.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Brian Jackson]

Ervin Nemeth wrote:
<snip>
> 
> 
> I've got no full solution.
> 
> The EXTRA_ECONF way works only for automake packages.
> 
> Using INSTALL_MASK='*.a' makes me really, really terrified if I think
> about sys-devel/gcc.
> 
> 
> /Ervin


Solar had a nifty per package INSTALL_MASK in his bashrc at one point I think.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Say no to static libraries!

[Paweł Madej]

Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Thursday 22 September 2005 05:23 am, Ervin Németh wrote:
 >
> you can put 'EXTRA_ECONF=--disable-static' into your /etc/make.conf ...
> -mike
> 

Is this safe to use on desktop machine or it is only developers 
suggestion for testing? I want to know if it could broke my system after 
some upgrades.

Greets
Pawel
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Ervin Nemeth]

Brian Jackson wrote:
> Solar had a nifty per package INSTALL_MASK in his bashrc at one point I 
> think.

Now I think the USE flag should be "install no static libraries for 
which shared version is provided".

In Solaris 10 Sun engineers have eliminated static libraries. Linux is 
not yet ready for this.

So INSTALL_MASK is not sufficient - see Mike's post about xorg-x11.


/Ervin
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Ervin Nemeth wrote:
| I see, but how about defining ForceNormalLib as NO in host.def?

Yes, that is the way to do it, and I actually have xorg doing this
already on USE=minimal. But at this point, monolithic xorg-x11 is in
security mode -- it's not getting any changes outside of security fixes
or possibly an incredibly critical bug.

As Paul alluded, all of our current development is going into modular X,
which is autotooled so Mike's suggestion of EXTRA_ECONF ought to work.

Thanks,
Donnie
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