From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFZn1-0004CG-4O for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:07:15 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j8EG1O96019953; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:01:24 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j8EFw89G028810 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:58:09 GMT Received: from cpe-65-26-255-237.wi.res.rr.com ([65.26.255.237] helo=nightcrawler) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1EFZin-0002mp-OE for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:02:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:03:14 -0500 From: Brian Harring <ferringb@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting, Thursday 15th, 1900 UTC Message-ID: <20050914160313.GE6179@nightcrawler> References: <4325D12A.5050601@gentoo.org> <43278936.50909@ieee.org> <20050914031019.GA1496@cerberus.oppresses.us> <200509140004.58256.vapier@gentoo.org> <4327D473.5030806@gentoo.org> <20050914163804.3942b8e2@snowdrop.home> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/unnNtmY43mpUSKx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050914163804.3942b8e2@snowdrop.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i X-Archives-Salt: cab31c4a-e346-473d-b664-a926e2635eab X-Archives-Hash: d11d33a0ffd45dde46b832102c73405b --/unnNtmY43mpUSKx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 04:38:04PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:42:43 +0200 Thierry Carrez <koon@gentoo.org> > wrote: > | Before debating if the QA team should have more power to enforce, > | let's just have a proper QA project. Apparently not much devs want to > | do QA, not sure telling them they will do QA+police will help in > | motivating them. >=20 > Part of the problem with that is that people who *would* normally do QA > think it's pretty much futile right now anyway, since the worst > offenders just carry on breaking things no matter how often they're > asked to stop... I'd agree; this is the reason I stopped auditing eclasses a year back. We've had bugs where flat out invalid deps (DEPEND dependant on=20 has_version calls) sat for 2 years, *despite* QA/portage devs laying=20 it on thick that this is totally invalid. That's not even getting into user complaints. There are people doing QA, the problem historically has been getting=20 people who don't care to fix their stuff. That's a *really* quick way=20 to burn out people doing QA; the fact that there is a problem, but=20 they have no means beyond nagging to get the offender to fix their=20 mess. There's only so much nagging one can do before they say "screw=20 it", and wander off to do something a bit more productive. If QA actually had some power beyond a pissed off member complaining=20 to devrel, I'd expect you would see those burnt out by past attempts=20 starting again. I'd be game for resuming auditing of eclasses,=20 personally. ~harring --/unnNtmY43mpUSKx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDKEnBvdBxRoA3VU0RAn94AJ4ne3Rj+kaUekRp5X69gI0SBL+uXACgs0SX nzWZNW/Fi6lQTapA3FUChUs= =6lLx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/unnNtmY43mpUSKx-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list