From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFDSw-0002HR-2D for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:17:02 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j8DGBNZY008489; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:11:23 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j8DG8gwn013668 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:08:45 GMT Received: from 82-41-57-20.cable.ubr08.edin.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.41.57.20] helo=snowdrop.home) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1EFDPJ-0000mm-1j for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:13:17 +0000 Received: from localhost.home ([127.0.0.1] helo=snowdrop.home) by snowdrop.home with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EFDPx-0007mz-N7 for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:13:57 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:13:51 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 41: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff Message-ID: <20050913171351.21186752@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <4326B632.7000109@gentoo.org> References: <4325D984.1050105@gentoo.org> <200509131604.29767.chriswhite@gentoo.org> <4326059A.3040004@gentoo.org> <432610A1.8050604@egr.msu.edu> <432614F3.2080704@gentoo.org> <1126570437.3416.6.camel@localhost> <43261CBB.4070609@gentoo.org> <43262E51.7050504@egr.msu.edu> <20050913025000.490e1c64@snowdrop.home> <43264100.9090208@egr.msu.edu> <20050913041434.6d458342@snowdrop.home> <4326B632.7000109@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.13 (GTK+ 2.6.8; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Signature_Tue__13_Sep_2005_17_13_51_+0100_5BWjTa6BI90xa7dY; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: a1576ea7-1a96-458a-aeca-c79508cd0f8f X-Archives-Hash: 58148922ca855c6ffcfdab288cb23c39 --Signature_Tue__13_Sep_2005_17_13_51_+0100_5BWjTa6BI90xa7dY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:21:22 +0200 Simon Stelling <blubb@gentoo.org> wrote: | > Uhm... Different people have different skill levels. Some of this is | > down to natural ability, some of it is down to experience. Arch | > testers have not yet proven themselves. Full developers have (at | > least in theory...). |=20 | Yes, in theory. Too bad reality doesn't match with theory far too | often. I for example became dev after just submitting a few | "app-foo/bar works on amd64" bugs and moaning because it took too | long to get them fixed. Of course i knew portage, but I really can't | say that I have proven myself to be useful to the project when I | joined it. BUT, this was before the idea of an AT existed. Today, | every user who wants to become a amd64 developer, has to become AT | first, to prove himself, so the problem you're speaking of was fixed, | not caused by ATs. Which is exactly why I like the idea of ATs, and exactly why I'm against giving them in effect 'full dev minus cvs write' powers. That can wait until they reach full dev status. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm --Signature_Tue__13_Sep_2005_17_13_51_+0100_5BWjTa6BI90xa7dY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDJvrE96zL6DUtXhERAqQBAJ9LFW9s+pZNJfzrsE2soYCVbWwmQQCgvxk9 Q8MDrxkNo7r9bagly8q25QE= =jr+t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature_Tue__13_Sep_2005_17_13_51_+0100_5BWjTa6BI90xa7dY-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list