From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EC2r3-0002V8-7b for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:20:49 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j84MH5bN003716; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:17:05 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j84MFOQL007947 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:15:24 GMT Received: from 82-41-57-20.cable.ubr08.edin.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.41.57.20] helo=snowdrop.home) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1EC2ok-0004lY-Ju for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:18:26 +0000 Received: from localhost.home ([127.0.0.1] helo=snowdrop.home) by snowdrop.home with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EC2qE-0005YM-Eb for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:19:58 +0100 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:19:52 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep Message-ID: <20050904231952.35e99dc1@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <1125870200.11361.147.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> References: <20050904143711.GD23576@dst.grantgoodyear.org> <20050904194141.4059a55e@snowdrop.home> <20050904191609.GE23576@dst.grantgoodyear.org> <1125864664.11360.107.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> <20050904215705.1490579e@snowdrop.home> <1125870200.11361.147.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.13 (GTK+ 2.6.8; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Signature_Sun__4_Sep_2005_23_19_52_+0100_CSHvDDAVvoZ6Zt4H; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: 6859b7d5-56d2-48ea-b60a-514c35023071 X-Archives-Hash: 01d5c0785cf1db6a082ae060169257d6 --Signature_Sun__4_Sep_2005_23_19_52_+0100_CSHvDDAVvoZ6Zt4H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:43:20 +0100 Stuart Herbert wrote: | On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 21:57 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > Yeah, foser's on holiday. Good time to push the GLEP through. |=20 | How typical of you to try and drag this discussion down into something | personal :( If you keep feeling the need to do this, do everyone a | favour and keep your mouth shut instead. It detracts from otherwise | insightful and useful comments. What, weren't you around for all the previous attempts at this proposal? | > The only reason certain arch teams are considered a bottleneck is | > because they do real testing. As opposed to x86 or ppc, where | > packages which won't even unpack get marked stable... |=20 | You can't help yourself, can you? You have to have a pop at | someone :( It's the truth, it's a problem and it needs fixing. | It's impossible for an arch team to keep pace with the rate of change | in the tree and do adequate testing too. No arch team is currently | big enough. Arch teams are always going to lag behind what package | maintainers do. It's a simple numbers game. | | There are only two arch teams with 20 or more members (amd64 and ppc), | as of 22:30 BST today. They have to deal with the output of approx | 155 herds, plus countless changes that don't go through herds in the | first place. The numbers speak for themselves. Arch teams are | bottlenecks. Until the numbers change, that won't change. You want numbers? A total of 31 ebuilds seems outdated on sparc A total of 72 ebuilds seems outdated on x86 A total of 3634 packages are keyworded on sparc A total of 7793 packages are keyworded on x86 Real numbers. Not guesswork based upon misconceptions. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm --Signature_Sun__4_Sep_2005_23_19_52_+0100_CSHvDDAVvoZ6Zt4H Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDG3MO96zL6DUtXhERAt20AJ9d+Ee09McfLBjo9oN65172UnlcrACfbrp+ 51tUK5Ld71reYqF3QgVzuk8= =PFfI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature_Sun__4_Sep_2005_23_19_52_+0100_CSHvDDAVvoZ6Zt4H-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list