From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EC1dL-0005tP-0o for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:02:35 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j84KwK1t000058; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:58:20 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j84Kt0aC026979 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:55:00 GMT Received: from 82-41-57-20.cable.ubr08.edin.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.41.57.20] helo=snowdrop.home) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1EC1Yv-0007U9-2q for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:58:01 +0000 Received: from localhost.home ([127.0.0.1] helo=snowdrop.home) by snowdrop.home with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EC1aQ-0004ph-7T for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:59:34 +0100 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:59:31 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep Message-ID: <20050904215931.53b9db51@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <1125865598.11360.122.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> References: <20050904143711.GD23576@dst.grantgoodyear.org> <1125863332.11366.89.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> <20050904210535.24ab8a39@snowdrop.home> <1125865598.11360.122.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.13 (GTK+ 2.6.8; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Signature_Sun__4_Sep_2005_21_59_31_+0100_3/kO4AJ1kfY0EdG0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: 0409ae65-f7fd-456b-b2a0-8f9aae740377 X-Archives-Hash: 69049b76a3271a57a402790d1cf66135 --Signature_Sun__4_Sep_2005_21_59_31_+0100_3/kO4AJ1kfY0EdG0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:26:37 +0100 Stuart Herbert wrote: | > Arch teams need to be allowed to override maintainers where | > appropriate,=20 |=20 | Why not talk to the package maintainers instead, and convince them | that you need a different version marking "maint" instead? Why | "override" (which, tbh, smacks of "we arch teams know best, life would | be better without package maintainers") when you could work with | people instead? You're *not* in competition with package | maintainers. We're all supposed to be working towards the same | thing :) Sure, we do that anyway. However, sometimes package maintainers are outright wrong. | I've no personal problem with arch teams sometimes needing to do their | own thing, provided it's confined to a specific class of package. | Outside of the core packages required to boot & maintain a platform, | when is there ever a need for arch maintainers to decide that they | know better than package maintainers? Pretty regularly. A significant number of package maintainers have a very shoddy attitude towards QA, and a significant number of upstreams have no clue what portability is. | If this isn't confined - if arch maintainers are allowed to override | package maintainers wherever they want to - then arch teams need to | take on the support burden. Fair's fair - if it's the arch team | creating the support, it's only fair that they support users in these | cases. It's completely unfair - and unrealistic - to expect a | package maintainer to support a package he/she thinks isn't fit to be | stable on an arch that he/she probably doesn't use anyway. In such a | conflict of egos, the real losers remain our users. If it isn't fit to be marked stable, it shouldn't be out of package.mask. ~arch means "candidate for going stable after more testing", not "might work". --=20 Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm --Signature_Sun__4_Sep_2005_21_59_31_+0100_3/kO4AJ1kfY0EdG0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDG2A196zL6DUtXhERAkUVAKDl6meyfWtrz1VUqYodGglofTu91ACgs5EK 0LuF6q4rEmzJOFdZX6mPsU8= =w4Xj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature_Sun__4_Sep_2005_21_59_31_+0100_3/kO4AJ1kfY0EdG0-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list