From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7ikm-0006eb-5X for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:04:28 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7O02p4G015225; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:02:51 GMT Received: from tiger.gg3.net (m006052.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [219.121.6.52]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7O004DD021532 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:00:05 GMT Received: (qmail 5126 invoked by uid 89); 24 Aug 2005 00:01:00 -0000 Received: from lion.gg3.net (HELO lion) (10.0.0.2) by 0 with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 00:01:00 -0000 Received: by lion (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:01:00 +0900 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:01:00 +0900 From: Georgi Georgiev To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Fixing the TERM mess Message-ID: <20050824000100.GB94712@lion.gg3.net> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20050821220505.4efbaff2@snowdrop.home> <2ZLH1.21133GH7@gentoo.org> <20050823212717.33e5571e@snowdrop.home> <1124830648.12024.95.camel@cocagne.max-t.internal> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1124830648.12024.95.camel@cocagne.max-t.internal> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i X-Archives-Salt: 82d6410b-526e-47c7-8368-4d0bde4c9455 X-Archives-Hash: 8eb7683f488854429e192a8b57567e6c maillog: 23/08/2005-16:57:28(-0400): Olivier Crete types > I though about this thing last night, and frankly, I think its a lost > cause. I remember that during the Gnome 1.x era, gnome-terminal used to > set TERM=gnome (at least it did on Red Hat) and they had the proper > termcap/terminfo entries. But they ended up going back to TERM=xterm, > probably because it caused problems for their users, like login into > anything else and being reduced to the lowest possible common > denominator (like logging into a Solaris system and being reduced to > non-visual mode by vi). And by the way, Solaris 2.8 still does not know > about rxvt. > > As a gnome-terminal user, I've never had problems with anything that > tried to use advanced xterm crap... probably because no uses them. If > you want X stuff, just use a real X application (like gvim...). I'm > strictly opposed to crippling my terminal use in the most common cases > (such a logging into a non-Gentoo system) for one or two legacy > applications. > > In the era of massive sshing, we have to forget terminfo and new > terminal types. We should understand xterm to mean a basic x terminal > and not the application from X.org. Oh, come-on, just do "TERM=xterm ssh your.solaris.box" when you really need to. Or, recalling Ciaran's opening post to this thread, put your terminfo in ~/.terminfo (was it?) on those few machines. -- () Georgi Georgiev () Paprika Measure: 2 dashes == 1smidgen 2 () () chutz@gg3.net () smidgens == 1 pinch 3 pinches == 1 soupcon () () +81(90)2877-8845 () 2 soupcons == 2 much paprika () -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list