Re: [gentoo-dev] Fixing the TERM mess

[Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@gentoo.org>]

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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:57:28 -0400 Olivier Crete <tester@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| As a gnome-terminal user, I've never had problems with anything that
| tried to use advanced xterm crap... probably because no uses them. If
| you want X stuff, just use a real X application (like gvim...). I'm
| strictly opposed to crippling my terminal use in the most common cases
| (such a logging into a non-Gentoo system) for one or two legacy
| applications.

Ok, to put this into perspective: the next major release of vim will
almost certainly not work on anything that calls itself an xterm unless
it really is an xterm. You will likely encounter a hard locked terminal
that you can't unlock. The latest ncurses release will also break
various things (irssi comes to mind) on Gnome Terminal.

Crippling xterm is no longer considered a suitable workaround. 

| In the era of massive sshing, we have to forget terminfo and new
| terminal types. We should understand xterm to mean a basic x terminal
| and not the application from X.org. 

Uh, no, a basic x terminal would be TERM=vt100. If an application
claims TERM=xterm, it is expected to support full xterm capabilities.

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Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron)
Mail            : ciaranm at gentoo.org
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