From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7fPQ-00044Y-Ee for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:30:12 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7NKSNip009191; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:28:23 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7NKPTIB032270 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:25:29 GMT Received: from 82-41-57-20.cable.ubr08.edin.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.41.57.20] helo=snowdrop.home) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1E7fLj-0005YP-Oh for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:26:23 +0000 Received: from localhost.home ([127.0.0.1] helo=snowdrop.home) by snowdrop.home with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1E7fMe-0004Mi-Rl for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:27:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:27:17 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Fixing the TERM mess Message-ID: <20050823212717.33e5571e@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <2ZLH1.21133GH7@gentoo.org> References: <20050821220505.4efbaff2@snowdrop.home> <2ZLH1.21133GH7@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.12 (GTK+ 2.6.7; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Signature_Tue__23_Aug_2005_21_27_17_+0100_Ju1xep01x92Q+SfM; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 X-Archives-Salt: 2210ab95-66dc-4a64-abd5-d1d1027881d8 X-Archives-Hash: ed77529b50a362aecf050c73d470d918 --Signature_Tue__23_Aug_2005_21_27_17_+0100_Ju1xep01x92Q+SfM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 8:52:13 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn" <kevquinn@gentoo.org> wrote: | On 21/8/2005 23:05:05, Ciaran McCreesh (ciaranm@gentoo.org) wrote: | > Now the proposal. This isn't something that can happen immediately, | > but it's something I'd like to see us working towards: | >=20 | > [...] | >=20 | > * De-cripple the standard xterm definition and remove restrictions | > from programs which can make full use of xterm's capabilities. |=20 | This bit, obviously, has to wait until at least the more common | packages have been adjusted for their own TERM value. In the | interim, how about creating a 'xtermstd' entry with the de-crippled | definition, and altering the (presumably few) packages that supply | fully-compatible xterms to use that, with a view to changing them | back to 'xterm' later once the rest of the world is in line. |=20 | I think it's also worth considering leaving the existing xterm entry | crippled, and just accept that abuse of it is too entrenched and | widespread to fix. =20 Hrm, I'd really rather not do that, on the grounds that it's a nasty hack and that it encourages people to carry on abusing TERM. By leaving xterm crippled in the long term, we're in effect saying "it's ok to pretend to be an xterm", which it isn't. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm --Signature_Tue__23_Aug_2005_21_27_17_+0100_Ju1xep01x92Q+SfM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDC4ao96zL6DUtXhERAgUkAJwLgsOMdk8RXEyMQ9IDxzsGXemPpwCg1baq ta4HUmGQHiEtVeGSSkyNVls= =OTUO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature_Tue__23_Aug_2005_21_27_17_+0100_Ju1xep01x92Q+SfM-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list