From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7T8u-0008Sb-1O for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:24:20 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7N7MpIb032733; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:22:51 GMT Received: from xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at (xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at [128.131.95.22]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7N7L0Qs015256 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:21:00 GMT Received: from xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at (fabian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j7N7Lok1022428 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:21:50 +0200 From: "Fabian Zeindl" <fabian@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gstreamer + Use Flags Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:21:50 +0200 Message-Id: <20050823071939.M41455@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at> In-Reply-To: <20050816102714.M81103@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at> References: <20050816102714.M81103@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050627 X-OriginatingIP: 194.138.12.129 (fabian) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Archives-Salt: 4bd4af76-42d5-4612-b1da-ea0e15de34c9 X-Archives-Hash: a5d700d1ffddebdf2f5a0b119a977bac Since nobody except Diego replied on my mail a week ago: Is there another way besides filing bugs and mailing the list to make a proposal which gets investigated? I think many users are concerned about that gstreamer "oddness", and I didn't find one good reason while reading through bugzilla of not doing this the way I proposed. greetings fabian zeindl On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:38:47 +0200, Fabian Zeindl wrote > Hi > > Some time ago I opened a bug concerning Gstreamer's useflags, which are > handled completely unlogical at the moment. *every* package > depending on the gstreamer multimediaframework brings it's own use > flags for gstreamer-plugins, instead of putting the use flags > centrally in the gstreamer package itself. > > I know this has been discussed before on bugzilla and the lists, and > I read through all discussions I found. I certainly don't want to > waste any developer's time with this, but the current handling of > this is unlogical and not "the gentoo way". I think that many users > share my opinion here although some devs (foser e.g.) don't agree > with this. > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100872 and > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84663 decribe the problem. > > So my proposal is putting UseFlags for additional GstreamerPlugins > in the Gstreamerpackage and remove it in the packages depending on > Gstreamer (totem for example). > > Benefits of this: > * you have ONE place where you can decide what gstreamer plugins to > install * you don't have 'wasted useflags'. It's not logical if I > compile amarok without mad and still can use mad, cause another > application already used this useflag... * you don't have to > reemerge EVERY single application that has gstreamer useflags, when > you want to install ONE additional gstreamerplugin, that's > completely UNNECESSARY * people don't get confused when using xine > and useflags doesn't have an impact. (mp3 doesn't work -> recompile > amarok with xine and mad -> mp3 still doesn't work cause mad useflag > doesn't influence xine) > > CONS: > * you have to understand that you use gstreamer: when you want to have > additional capabilities simple recompiling of amarok (p.e.) doesn't > work, you have to recompile gstreamer or emerge -uDN world > > For me the PROS outweigh the CONS. What do you say? > > greetings and hoping that I don't annoy anyone with this mail > > fabian > > -- > ... I want something good to die for > To make it beautiful to live. > I want a new mistake, lose is more than hesitate. > Do you believe it in your head? > > - Queens of the Stone Age - "Go with the Flow" > > I prefer signed/encrypted Mail: > Fingerprint: CFE8 38A7 0BC4 3CB0 E454 FA8D 04F9 B3B6 E02D 25BA > > -- > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list -- ... I want something good to die for To make it beautiful to live. I want a new mistake, lose is more than hesitate. Do you believe it in your head? - Queens of the Stone Age - "Go with the Flow" I prefer signed/encrypted Mail: Fingerprint: CFE8 38A7 0BC4 3CB0 E454 FA8D 04F9 B3B6 E02D 25BA -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list