From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7Bqc-0003mX-RQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:56:19 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7MCs2pu027675; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:54:02 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MCoFlT025209 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:50:15 GMT Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=home.wh0rd.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7BlP-0001Md-VE for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:50:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 24309 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 08:48:35 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO vapier) (192.168.0.2) by 192.168.0.1 with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 08:48:35 -0400 From: Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Fixing the TERM mess Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:51:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <20050821220505.4efbaff2@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <20050821220505.4efbaff2@snowdrop.home> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508220851.25619.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 344a7f23-f685-4d5a-a4e6-f7dd0962877b X-Archives-Hash: 24594d2cfd65453fe1443dfa57c061e0 On Sunday 21 August 2005 05:05 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > The terminfo method is provided by ncurses. It is considerably more > powerful and has far fewer arbitrary restrictions upon database entry > lengths. It is also less unmaintained than termcap. actually it's actively maintained and the upstream author is a cool guy :) > * Make everything that isn't xterm set its own TERM value. Possibly the > same for things pretending to be rxvt, although this is less of an > issue since I think everything that pretends to be rxvt is "rxvt plus > some patches". actually, latest ncurses + gnome-terminal break because gnome-terminal sets TERM=xterm ... people proposed we revert some changes to ncurses but i denied that in favor of making gnome-terminal export TERM=gnome http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91055 i think the gnome team is just ignoring this though ;) > * Putty? Since I consider sshing from insecure systems irresponsible, I > don't know much about this one, other than that it's another dirty > liar and that said lying has caused various bugs in the past. Perhaps > someone could clarify with details of what it pretends to support and > what it really supports? there is a TERM=putty setting isnt there ? > Before I go any further with this, does anyone have a really really good > reason why we should continue to make lots of users suffer because a few > upstreams don't know what they're doing? sounds like a good proactive step to me -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list