[gentoo-dev] app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

[gentoo-dev] app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

[Ivan Yosifov]

Hello Everyone,

What's up with genlop ?
There are 9 open bugs, some including trivial fixes ( like #97049 ),
the homepage http://pollycoke.org/genlop.html ( as listed in the
ebuild ) is dead. If my understanding is correct, unmaintained packages
are removed from the tree.

Thanks,
Ivan Yosifov.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

[Christian Parpart]

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On Sunday 24 July 2005 20:29, Ivan Yosifov wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> What's up with genlop ?
> There are 9 open bugs, some including trivial fixes ( like #97049 ),
> the homepage http://pollycoke.org/genlop.html ( as listed in the
> ebuild ) is dead. If my understanding is correct, unmaintained packages
> are removed from the tree.

well, we once (within the apache herd) had a module that's not really 
maintained by anyone special, but debian (to mention one I *do* remember) is 
maintaining this package, too, and though we decided to leave it in, 
especially where we recognized, that debian even did some more effords on 
this partiular package.

don't flame me now, but I forgot what package exactly it has been, however, 
the wact still remains.

finally, genlop still has a user base (including me). So I wouldn't dare in 
dropping it.

Regards,
Christian Parpart.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

[R Hill]

Christian Parpart wrote:
> On Sunday 24 July 2005 20:29, Ivan Yosifov wrote:
>> What's up with genlop ?
>> There are 9 open bugs, some including trivial fixes ( like #97049 ),
>> the homepage http://pollycoke.org/genlop.html ( as listed in the
>> ebuild ) is dead. If my understanding is correct, unmaintained packages
>> are removed from the tree.

> finally, genlop still has a user base (including me). So I wouldn't dare in 
> dropping it.

genlop is far too useful a package to drop from the tree.  besides the 
important statistical data it provides, it makes a great benchmarking 
tool and i use it for gcc testing a lot.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

[Ivan Yosifov]

Well, this is the problem. I like it too, and I too don't like the
current stituation. Currently genlop is abandonware. There is no
activity in Bugzilla, so that's why I post to gentoo-dev. 

Portage Utilities Team, Hello ?

If we all like it that much, perhaps someone will want to take over it,
make a homepage ( or just set www.gentoo.org as the homepage ) and go
through the open bugs.

If not - it can be either dropped or left as it is currently. If no one
cares maybe the user base is not that large.

In either case, it would be interesting to know what is the Portage
Utilities Team view on the matter.

On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 20:56 -0600, R Hill wrote:
> Christian Parpart wrote:
> > On Sunday 24 July 2005 20:29, Ivan Yosifov wrote:
> >> What's up with genlop ?
> >> There are 9 open bugs, some including trivial fixes ( like #97049 ),
> >> the homepage http://pollycoke.org/genlop.html ( as listed in the
> >> ebuild ) is dead. If my understanding is correct, unmaintained packages
> >> are removed from the tree.
> 
> > finally, genlop still has a user base (including me). So I wouldn't dare in 
> > dropping it.
> 
> genlop is far too useful a package to drop from the tree.  besides the 
> important statistical data it provides, it makes a great benchmarking 
> tool and i use it for gcc testing a lot.
> 
> 
> --de.
> 

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Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Re: app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

[Jakub Moc]

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25.7.2005, 10:41:09, Ivan Yosifov wrote:

> If we all like it that much, perhaps someone will want to take over it, make
> a homepage ( or just set www.gentoo.org as the homepage ) and go through the
> open bugs.

> If not - it can be either dropped or left as it is currently. If no one
> cares maybe the user base is not that large.

I don't know why this ebuild should be dropped, I have much better candidates
for removal - such as y-windows ;p

All the bugs are trivial and half of them is solved in 0.30.3 which could be
marked stable.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

[Michael Cummings]

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As the original handler of genlop (it was assigned to perl herd when it
first was asked to be added, since its written in perl) I strongly vote
against dropping the package (ok, I didn't even realize it had been
switched over to the portage-tools group for maintenance, and as such
that there were even bugs open against it). The funny thing about no
more activity upstream is this: why would there be? Except for bug
fixes, it does a simple job, and it does it damned well: it parses your
emerge log and gives you just the output you want and need. Don't
abandon a tool just because it has reached its final state ;)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

[Alin Nastac]

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Michael Cummings wrote:

>As the original handler of genlop (it was assigned to perl herd when it
>first was asked to be added, since its written in perl) I strongly vote
>against dropping the package (ok, I didn't even realize it had been
>switched over to the portage-tools group for maintenance, and as such
>that there were even bugs open against it). The funny thing about no
>more activity upstream is this: why would there be? Except for bug
>fixes, it does a simple job, and it does it damned well: it parses your
>emerge log and gives you just the output you want and need. Don't
>abandon a tool just because it has reached its final state ;)
>
>  
>
Well, a homepage would be a nice thing to have.
I also think that is a very useful tool. If no one will step forward, I
will take its maintainership.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

[Ivan Yosifov]

Thanks, Alin.

This was the type of constructive response I was hoping to provoke.
Don't get me wrong - I like genlop, however software "final state" does
not exist IMO, and bugfixing is hugely important with any software.

Also, by "dead upstream" I mean that the page does not even exist
anymore, not just that there is no activity.

On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 12:33 +0300, Alin Nastac wrote:
> Michael Cummings wrote:
> 
> >As the original handler of genlop (it was assigned to perl herd when it
> >first was asked to be added, since its written in perl) I strongly vote
> >against dropping the package (ok, I didn't even realize it had been
> >switched over to the portage-tools group for maintenance, and as such
> >that there were even bugs open against it). The funny thing about no
> >more activity upstream is this: why would there be? Except for bug
> >fixes, it does a simple job, and it does it damned well: it parses your
> >emerge log and gives you just the output you want and need. Don't
> >abandon a tool just because it has reached its final state ;)
> >
> >  
> >
> Well, a homepage would be a nice thing to have.
> I also think that is a very useful tool. If no one will step forward, I
> will take its maintainership.




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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

[Michael Cummings]

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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:45:29 +0300
Ivan Yosifov <ivan@yosifov.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Alin.
> 
> This was the type of constructive response I was hoping to provoke.
> Don't get me wrong - I like genlop, however software "final state"
does
> not exist IMO, and bugfixing is hugely important with any software.
> 
> Also, by "dead upstream" I mean that the page does not even exist
> anymore, not just that there is no activity.

If no one objects, I'll attempt to contact upstream on the status, and
whether the author also considers this 'dead'. Depending on the answer,
I'd be willing to assume work on it (most likely with a name change so
as to avoid infringements, etc.). Soon as I get some mod_perl stuff
sorted, I'll take a look at the bugs that are open. Anyone on
portage-tools object to the intervention?


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

[Graham Murray]

Michael Cummings <mcummings@gentoo.org> writes:

> The funny thing about no more activity upstream is this: why would
> there be? Except for bug fixes, it does a simple job, and it does it
> damned well: it parses your emerge log and gives you just the output
> you want and need. Don't abandon a tool just because it has reached
> its final state ;)

Except that at the moment it does not do it well as it does not work
with the '-c' option - as reported in bug 99823
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

[Mike Frysinger]

On Monday 25 July 2005 09:28 am, Graham Murray wrote:
> Michael Cummings <mcummings@gentoo.org> writes:
> > The funny thing about no more activity upstream is this: why would
> > there be? Except for bug fixes, it does a simple job, and it does it
> > damned well: it parses your emerge log and gives you just the output
> > you want and need. Don't abandon a tool just because it has reached
> > its final state ;)
>
> Except that at the moment it does not do it well as it does not work
> with the '-c' option - as reported in bug 99823

one broken option doesnt mean we should punt it :P

-t and -l still work pretty well
-mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

[Michael Cummings]

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I've spoken with upstream - they are still maintaining genlop, but the
hosting server that the website and files are on is currently without
connectivity. Your homepages and such should be up soon, and perhaps a
bump as well.

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