[gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Karl Trygve Kalleberg]

Hi gang,

over the course of the next few days, we will finally be replacing the
'mozilla' useflag in all the Java runtimes with a new USE flag, called
'browserplugin'.

The change means that in order to have continued Java browser plugin
support, you must add the useflag 'browserplugin' to the USE="...." line
in your /etc/make.conf file.

The reason for the change is that:

) all browser plugins now work with more than just the Mozilla
  webbrowser, thus naming it 'mozilla' has become rather inaccurate.

) the 'mozilla' useflag is primarily used for embedding Mozilla
  into other applications.

) it should be possible to enable the Java browser plugin system-wide,
  without turning on Mozilla embedding for random other applications.
  As such, the 'mozilla' and 'mozilla' useflags are different, but
  at the present time have the same name, which is rather confusing.


(For now, the new useflag is not a global useflag, so as to not upset
certain elements in the developer community. It is marked as a local
useflag for all packages supporting it. However, the difference is
merely academic, but I'm sure a flamewar will erupt over this as usual.)

Refer to [1] for tracking of this issue.


We will keep supporting the 'mozilla' useflag for a minimum period of a
month, and you will be amply warned about the change when installing or
upgrading a Java runtime.


-- Karl T


[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94056
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Henrik Brix Andersen]

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On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 15:13 +0200, Karl Trygve Kalleberg wrote:
> over the course of the next few days, we will finally be replacing the
> 'mozilla' useflag in all the Java runtimes with a new USE flag, called
> 'browserplugin'.

Yay!

./Brix
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Monday 11 July 2005 15:13, Karl Trygve Kalleberg wrote:
> over the course of the next few days, we will finally be replacing the
> 'mozilla' useflag in all the Java runtimes with a new USE flag, called
> 'browserplugin'.
Wasn't nsplugin plugin useflag already present?
[Btw I usually don't use it, konqueror doesn't need it to work]

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Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò
Gentoo Developer - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Aron Griffis]

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KarlTK wrote:	[Mon Jul 11 2005, 09:13:03AM EDT]
> over the course of the next few days, we will finally be replacing
> the 'mozilla' useflag in all the Java runtimes with a new USE flag,
> called 'browserplugin'.

I think I can speak for the mozilla team... this change looks good.

Regards,
Aron

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Stefan Schweizer]

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Am Montag 11 Juli 2005 15:13 schrieb Karl Trygve Kalleberg:
> Hi gang,
>
> over the course of the next few days, we will finally be replacing the
> 'mozilla' useflag in all the Java runtimes with a new USE flag, called
> 'browserplugin'.

Are you expecting the other browser-plugin-ebuilds to follow this step?
acroread, gplflash, netscape-flash, netscape-plugger, mozplugger, 
mplayerplug-in?

Are you planning to make that a global use flag or will it just be used 
locally for java?

I vote for global use flag and useage in all browserplugins.

Regards,
  Stefan

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Henrik Brix Andersen]

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On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 18:38 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> I vote for global use flag and useage in all browserplugins.

Yes, I second that.

./Brix
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Jeremy Maitin-Shepard]

One issue I see with a `browserplugin' USE flag is that there may at
some point be web browsers in the tree that support plugins that are not
Mozilla-compatible.  Although there are multiple Mozilla-compatible
browsers (mainly browsers which use Mozilla code or have Mozilla
embedded), the plugins in question are nonetheless essentially
``Mozilla'' plugins.  Thus it is probably better for the USE flag to be
called `mozillaplugin', to allow for the future introduction of other
browser-specific plugin USE flags.  (It would be undesirable for ebuilds
supporting multiple types of web browser plugins to, if the single
`browserplugin' USE flag is enabled, install plugins for all of the
supported browsers that portage says are installed.)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Monday 11 July 2005 20:56, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:
> Thus it is probably better for the USE flag to be
> called `mozillaplugin', to allow for the future introduction of other
> browser-specific plugin USE flags.
profiles/use.local.desc:app-text/djvu:nsplugin - Builds plugins for Netscape 
compatible browsers

We already have this that is the same at the end.

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Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò
Gentoo Developer - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Aron Griffis]

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Stefan Schweizer wrote:	[Mon Jul 11 2005, 12:38:46PM EDT]
> Are you expecting the other browser-plugin-ebuilds to follow this step?
> acroread

makes sense here

> gplflash, netscape-flash, netscape-plugger, mozplugger, 
> mplayerplug-in?

These are all plugins by definition, there's nothing to do here.

Regards,
Aron

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Aron Griffis]

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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:	[Mon Jul 11 2005, 03:25:22PM EDT]
> profiles/use.local.desc:app-text/djvu:nsplugin - Builds plugins for Netscape 
> compatible browsers
> 
> We already have this that is the same at the end.

This looks like the right thing to do instead of the browserplugin
USE-flag.  Karl, does this make sense from your perspective for the
java stuff?

Regards,
Aron

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Karl Trygve Kalleberg]

Stefan Schweizer wrote:

> Are you expecting the other browser-plugin-ebuilds to follow this step?
> acroread, gplflash, netscape-flash, netscape-plugger, mozplugger, 
> mplayerplug-in?

As Aaron points out, mplayerplug-in, mozplugger, netscape-plugger,
netscape-flash and gplflash do not have the mozilla useflag. They are
"pure" plug-ins, so the useflag doesn't make sense here.

For acroread, I suggest we make the same change.

> Are you planning to make that a global use flag or will it just be used 
> locally for java?

We can add it locally to acroread, too, if people are worried about
having it as a global USE flag.

> I vote for global use flag and useage in all browserplugins.

That would indeed be very attractive (apart from it having to be
"global", which is not strictly necessary).

-- Karl T
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Aron Griffis]

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Karl,

Diego has mentioned that the nsplugins USE-flag already exists and
seems to duplicate browserplugin.  Additionally it is more appropriate
since it refers specifically to netscape-compatible plugins, which is
definitely what these are.  If there's another plugin format, it
probably shouldn't be handled by the same USE-flag.

I haven't seen a response from you regarding this.  What are your
thoughts?

Regards,
Aron

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 11:41 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
> Karl,
> 
> Diego has mentioned that the nsplugins USE-flag already exists and
> seems to duplicate browserplugin.  Additionally it is more appropriate
> since it refers specifically to netscape-compatible plugins, which is
> definitely what these are.  If there's another plugin format, it
> probably shouldn't be handled by the same USE-flag.
> 
> I haven't seen a response from you regarding this.  What are your
> thoughts?

use nsplugin?

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Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager
Games - Developer
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Aron Griffis]

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Chris Gianelloni wrote:[Tue Jul 12 2005, 11:53:57AM EDT]
> On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 11:41 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
> > Karl,
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > What are your thoughts?
> 
> use nsplugin?

Chris, since when are you Karl?  :-b

Regards,
Aron

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 12:04 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:[Tue Jul 12 2005, 11:53:57AM EDT]
> > On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 11:41 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
> > > Karl,
> > > 
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > What are your thoughts?
> > 
> > use nsplugin?
> 
> Chris, since when are you Karl?  :-b

D'oh... missed the Karl.

Sorry about that.  :P

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Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager
Games - Developer
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Monday 11 July 2005 18:38, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> Are you expecting the other browser-plugin-ebuilds to follow this step?
I've done the change to nsplugin for media-video apps (gxine, vlc, helixplayer 
and realplayer).
With that it makes more sense to have it global (5 nsplugin local flags just 
now).

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Notice: Changing mozilla useflag to browserplugin for all Java runtimes

[Hanno Böck]

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Am Dienstag, 12. Juli 2005 19:10 schrieb Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò:
> I've done the change to nsplugin for media-video apps (gxine, vlc,
> helixplayer and realplayer).
> With that it makes more sense to have it global (5 nsplugin local flags
> just now).

I'll soon update freewrl, which has the same issue.

I also vote for nsplugin as a global useflag.

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