Re: [gentoo-dev] chriswhite herd(?) status update

Re: [gentoo-dev] chriswhite herd(?) status update

[Andrej Kacian]

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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:49:28 +0900
Chris White <chriswhite@gentoo.org> wrote:

> on a minor note, I was thinking of maybe a somewhat small comprehensive list
> of major problems and ways to solve them.  I know we do have bugzilla, but
> bugzilla is kind of full of noise (look at all them bugs!).  Therefore, I
> think a small page with major stuff like "Oh my god, my stuff doesn't
> compile" or "It can't find my library!" would help.  Ways of solving it
> would also be nice.  I was thinking of having the page archive things that
> are 1 month old and everything else is front page.  Let me know what the
> thoughts are on that.  Ok, that's it...

That's a good idea, something like topic on #gentoo, but in form of a website
(and perhaps a RSS feed?)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] chriswhite herd(?) status update

[Patrick Lauer]

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On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 20:24 +0200, Andrej Kacian wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:49:28 +0900
> Chris White <chriswhite@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > on a minor note, I was thinking of maybe a somewhat small comprehensive list
> > of major problems and ways to solve them.  I know we do have bugzilla, but
> > bugzilla is kind of full of noise (look at all them bugs!).  Therefore, I
> > think a small page with major stuff like "Oh my god, my stuff doesn't
> > compile" or "It can't find my library!" would help.  Ways of solving it
> > would also be nice.  I was thinking of having the page archive things that
> > are 1 month old and everything else is front page.  Let me know what the
> > thoughts are on that.  Ok, that's it...
> 
> That's a good idea, something like topic on #gentoo, but in form of a website
> (and perhaps a RSS feed?)
I like the idea. 
Questions:
- do "we" want that?
- who will take care of it?

wkr,
Patrick
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Re: [gentoo-dev] chriswhite herd(?) status update

[Joshua Baergen]

On 6/14/05, Patrick Lauer <patrick@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 20:24 +0200, Andrej Kacian wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:49:28 +0900
> > Chris White <chriswhite@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > > on a minor note, I was thinking of maybe a somewhat small comprehensive list
> > > of major problems and ways to solve them.  I know we do have bugzilla, but
> > > bugzilla is kind of full of noise (look at all them bugs!).  Therefore, I
> > > think a small page with major stuff like "Oh my god, my stuff doesn't
> > > compile" or "It can't find my library!" would help.  Ways of solving it
> > > would also be nice.  I was thinking of having the page archive things that
> > > are 1 month old and everything else is front page.  Let me know what the
> > > thoughts are on that.  Ok, that's it...
> >
> > That's a good idea, something like topic on #gentoo, but in form of a website
> > (and perhaps a RSS feed?)
> I like the idea.
> Questions:
> - do "we" want that?
> - who will take care of it?
> 
> wkr,
> Patrick
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> 
A couple other things I can see becoming an issue:

1) We don't want to undermine bugzilla's function.  Yes, it's noisy,
but a suitably motivated individual (to use Donnie's catchphrase) can
find what they're looking for.  Taking people off bugzilla could mean
less bugs solved, and it could also mean people saying, "Oh, look,
it's not on the RSS feed!  Let's file a bug."
2) At the risk of merely restating Patrick's second question,
maintaining a mini-bugzilla (I know that's not what it will be, but
nonetheless) takes developers off of solving bugs, instead tasking
them with re-packaging existing solutions that can be found (refer to
1 ;P).

That been said, I think it's a great idea for those who don't know a
lot about the open source process or even Linux in general.  Maybe it
would be a good idea to make the page refer back to bugzilla often
enough to make people wonder what it is, as well as get them used to
the sight of it.  That makes it less work, as the maintainers can
merely summarize solutions only if necessary, and link up to the bugs.
 I know this would be really useful for when we have those common bugs
where you see a bajillion duplicates.  From people who think bugzilla
is a forum to post their problems.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] chriswhite herd(?) status update

[Simon Stelling]

Hi,

Chris White wrote:
> on a minor note, I was thinking of maybe a somewhat small
> comprehensive list of major problems and ways to solve them.
> I know we do have bugzilla, but bugzilla is kind of full of noise
> (look at all them bugs!).  Therefore, I think a small page with
> major stuff like "Oh my god, my stuff doesn't compile" or "It can't
> find my library!" would help.  Ways of solving it would also be nice.
> I was thinking of having the page archive things that are 1 month
> old and everything else is front page.  Let me know what the thoughts
> are on that.  Ok, that's it...

I don't like this idea, it doesn't look like a solution but rather like
an ugly work-around to me. I agree that some things should be handled
outside bugzilla, but bugs belong to bugzilla. We already have a tool to
track bugs, setting up another one wouldn't help reducing bugs, it'd
rather cost us even more time (you have to check two sources for
informations) and there will be more duplications. All in all, it looks
like twice the effort for the same result to me.

Regards,

blubb

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blubb@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] chriswhite herd(?) status update

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 21:01 +0200, Simon Stelling wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Chris White wrote:
> > on a minor note, I was thinking of maybe a somewhat small
> > comprehensive list of major problems and ways to solve them.
> > I know we do have bugzilla, but bugzilla is kind of full of noise
> > (look at all them bugs!).  Therefore, I think a small page with
> > major stuff like "Oh my god, my stuff doesn't compile" or "It can't
> > find my library!" would help.  Ways of solving it would also be nice.
> > I was thinking of having the page archive things that are 1 month
> > old and everything else is front page.  Let me know what the thoughts
> > are on that.  Ok, that's it...
> 
> I don't like this idea, it doesn't look like a solution but rather like
> an ugly work-around to me. I agree that some things should be handled
> outside bugzilla, but bugs belong to bugzilla. We already have a tool to
> track bugs, setting up another one wouldn't help reducing bugs, it'd
> rather cost us even more time (you have to check two sources for
> informations) and there will be more duplications. All in all, it looks
> like twice the effort for the same result to me.

I tend to agree.

Want to make something nice to help with bugzilla?  How about a page
with some good queries already setup for different things that would be
common.  Say something like searching for all bugs that are NEW that
have EBUILD in the KEYWORDS?  How about all bugs that have been
REOPENED?  All bugs that have been RESOLVED-TESTREQUEST?

I think these pre-built queries would be much better than yet another
page to find bugs.

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Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux

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Re: [gentoo-dev] chriswhite herd(?) status update

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Joshua Baergen wrote:
> 1) We don't want to undermine bugzilla's function.  Yes, it's noisy,
> but a suitably motivated individual (to use Donnie's catchphrase) can
> find what they're looking for.

I used the word "individual" in reference to a person? Please kick me or
something, if I actually did.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] chriswhite herd(?) status update

[Bryan Oestergaard]

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 01:02:45PM +0900, Chris White wrote:
> 
> > I tend to agree.
> > 
> > Want to make something nice to help with bugzilla?  How about a page
> > with some good queries already setup for different things that would be
> > common.  Say something like searching for all bugs that are NEW that
> > have EBUILD in the KEYWORDS?  How about all bugs that have been
> > REOPENED?  All bugs that have been RESOLVED-TESTREQUEST?
> > 
> > I think these pre-built queries would be much better than yet another
> > page to find bugs.
> 
> Come to think of it.. I think kloeri had a page for that.  Maybe we could ask him :P.
> 
> Chris White
I'm about to embark on a major redesign of the http://bugday.gentoo.org
website so I'm obviously happy to have ideas thrown at me. That said you
need to throw ideas at me using irc as nothing is set in stone yet and I
want you to explain your ideas to me clearly before I even consider
them.

And I'm not going to explain my ideas so far unless it's in a
semi-private forum (#gentoo-bugs works well) as I don't want to commit
to any features yet.

So anybody interested should just catch me on irc which shouldn't be too
hard.. And please make sure to keep your ideas/requests related to
bugday.

Thanks,
Bryan Østergaard
kloeri at #gentoo-bugs, irc.freenode.net
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Re: [gentoo-dev] chriswhite herd(?) status update

[Joshua Baergen]

Ok, so paraphrase. :P

On 6/14/05, Donnie Berkholz <spyderous@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> Joshua Baergen wrote:
> > 1) We don't want to undermine bugzilla's function.  Yes, it's noisy,
> > but a suitably motivated individual (to use Donnie's catchphrase) can
> > find what they're looking for.
> 
> I used the word "individual" in reference to a person? Please kick me or
> something, if I actually did.
> 
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[gentoo-dev] chriswhite herd(?) status update

[Chris White]

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Since I'm really not in a particular herd, here's a couple of goals I have for getting Gentoo into a better state:

1) First off, working on the kde-theme.py package.  I've been working on it left and right and it's nicely progressing, we'll see where it goes
2) Helping get some ebuilds that are sort of collecting dust in bugzilla up and running
3) Helping other devs/herds with general bug wrangling (ie. creating obscure patches by staying up for 5 hours on lots of Pepsi)
4) Helping out with some documentation (and sending it to the right people this time ;p)

and that's the short list.. here's the long one:

1) Ok, I think that's about as well said as it's going to get :P
2) Getting these new ebuilds in the tree will definately help grow the number of usefull tools for users, as well as re-initiating the developer-user relationship.
3) Helping out general bug wrangling will, well, close more bugs :P.  Not only that, but it will vastly prevent the situation of "ARGG, MY WORLD UPDATE :(".  I'm running emerge world pretty consistantly, so if I hit something, I'll most likely be fixing it (I hate interrupted world updates like everyone else :P)
4) There is no such thing as too many docs :P.  

on a minor note, I was thinking of maybe a somewhat small comprehensive list of major problems and ways to solve them.  I know we do have bugzilla, but bugzilla is kind of full of noise (look at all them bugs!).  Therefore, I think a small page with major stuff like "Oh my god, my stuff doesn't compile" or "It can't find my library!" would help.  Ways of solving it would also be nice.  I was thinking of having the page archive things that are 1 month old and everything else is front page.  Let me know what the thoughts are on that.  Ok, that's it...

Chris White

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Re: [gentoo-dev] chriswhite herd(?) status update

[Chris White]

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> I tend to agree.
> 
> Want to make something nice to help with bugzilla?  How about a page
> with some good queries already setup for different things that would be
> common.  Say something like searching for all bugs that are NEW that
> have EBUILD in the KEYWORDS?  How about all bugs that have been
> REOPENED?  All bugs that have been RESOLVED-TESTREQUEST?
> 
> I think these pre-built queries would be much better than yet another
> page to find bugs.

Come to think of it.. I think kloeri had a page for that.  Maybe we could ask him :P.

Chris White

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