From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail.phys.uu.nl (mail.phys.uu.nl [131.211.32.64]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j56Ah9oc024707 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:43:09 GMT Received: from localhost (amavis.phys.uu.nl [131.211.32.145]) by mail.phys.uu.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73EB7EC8 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:43:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.phys.uu.nl ([131.211.32.64]) by localhost (mail.phys.uu.nl [131.211.32.145]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30003-03 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:43:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (235pc222.sshunet.nl [145.97.222.235]) by mail.phys.uu.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55BF7EC3 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:43:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Jan Jitse Venselaar <janjitse@gmail.com> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:43:17 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.1 References: <200506051622.24240@enterprise.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org> <42A3672F.1090304@ieee.org> <1118008522.2711.30.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1118008522.2711.30.camel@localhost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1149558.7vPi9NPttF"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200506061243.23699.janjitse@gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at phys.uu.nl X-Archives-Salt: bed2280e-6471-4311-8bbe-9ff04b4fc268 X-Archives-Hash: 1f0aa1a21b466b00e62aa334af2f2439 --nextPart1149558.7vPi9NPttF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 05 June 2005 23:55, Ned Ludd wrote: > On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 16:57 -0400, Nathan L. Adams wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Well obviously there needs to be a consensus on *how* to logically > > organize things before anyone goes willy nilly changing stuff. Do you > > group by what the package is used for (email vs. game vs. web browser) > > or by what it is built from (PERL stuff, Gnome apps, KDE apps). It > > appears that currently its a mix. Is that documented anywhere? > > You raise a good point and sadly that is the unfortunate thing here.. > There is no clear consensus right now and we have yet to really have a > fruitful thread on the subject. I not aware of any intelligent > documentation on this subject either. > > > I personally think the organization should be from an end-user > > perspective as much as possible. Imagine for a moment that you are a > > Genewbie (new Gentoo user). You have a new minimal installation and you > > want to add some applications. How do you know what your choices are for > > an email client, for instance? You could find most things here: > > > > > > Again, I think better > > organization and improved tools are both worth while. > > I fully agree with you on improved tools and would rather see us go > this route before we end up with >300 top level categories. > Recently I spoke with Enrico Zini (Debian Developer). Debian has the same=20 problems in this area, and he is working on Debtags, which is designed to=20 solve this exact problem. Basically what it does is take a few different=20 classifications (like, purpose, environment, language it was written in=20 etc.), and make it configurable what to put in the top level, what to put=20 underneath the top level, etc. This is called faceted classification, and w= as=20 invented by the Indian librarian and classificationist S.R. Ranganathan in= =20 the early 1930s. The system is expandable, users can add their own classifications and=20 categories.=20 The main problem is performance, but I understood that that is mainly due t= o=20 lack of focus on that area.=20 =46or more information see the Debtags website,=20 http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/ It may not be the ideal solution yet, but what I understood of it, it is a= =20 very powerful system, and quite intuitive for end-users. Jan Jitse --nextPart1149558.7vPi9NPttF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCpCjLe5JQSdZZ+OYRAr6UAKDNbQ/spQzweRBJDFZHMuYshOSw+gCgs0ov 3O5KF30r5LFsz6czerYC4v0= =FZf4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1149558.7vPi9NPttF-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list