[gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1

[gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1

[Danny van Dyk]

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About eclectic
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During the last few months, ciaranm, ka0ttic, slarti and me have been
working on "eclectic" [1], a modular administration and configuration
framework for Gentoo. Eclectic is completely written in bash and unifies
different tasks in one tool with a consistent user interfaces. Up to
now, eclectic can handle mulitple tasks using the following modules:

 * bashcomp:
   Configure and list bash completetions, thus obsoletes
   app-shells/bash-completion-config.

 * blas,lapack:
   Switch between implementations of virtual/{blas,lapack}.
   This obsoletes sci-libs/{blas,lapack}-config (which are bogus).

 * profile:
   List and switch Gentoo portage profiles. Check if selected
   profile is valid in regard to used "ARCH".

 * mailer:
   Manage the mailwrapper profiles in /etc/mail.

 * kernel:
   Manage the /usr/src/linux symlink.

Work on further modules is in progress like:

 * vi:
   Manage the upcoming vi symlink for parallel installs of vi clones.
   (vi, nvi, vim, gvim)

 * icu and ilasm:
   Manage the different free implementation of .NET.

Eclectic has a library concept for shared function. It features common
code for configuration, output and multilib handling.

There is a both a developer guide and a user guide as RST shipped with
the source.

Currently, eclectic's source[2] is hosted at berlios.de due to our decission
to use Subversion as SCM. As soon as GLEP 36[3] has been implemented, we
would like to move to a Gentoo repository.

Questions
- ---------

 * What do we need to accomplish to get the status of an "Official
   Gentoo Project" ? Is a manager voting necessary ?

 * What do the maintainers of Gentoo's various -config and -update
   scripts think about converting their scripts into eclectic modules ?

 * What is the best place for eclectic in the portage tree? app-admin as
   it is an administrative tool? Or rather app-portage as it should be
   used together with Gentoo only?

Danny

[1] http://developer.berlios.de/projects/eclectic
[2] http://download.berlios.de/eclectic/eclectic-0.9.1.tar.bz2
[3] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0036.html

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Gentoo/AMD64 Project, Gentoo Scientific Project
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Sat, 07 May 2005 22:37:22 +0200 Danny van Dyk <kugelfang@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| During the last few months, ciaranm, ka0ttic, slarti and me have been
| working on "eclectic" [1], a modular administration and configuration
| framework for Gentoo. Eclectic is completely written in bash and
| unifies different tasks in one tool with a consistent user interfaces.

Might as well post a sample module... This one's the kernel symlink
manager thingie, which I wrote mainly as a test / demo thing but it can
be vaguely useful too:

http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/*checkout*/eclectic/trunk/modules/kernel.eclectic

Note the ebuild-like format that should be nice and easy for everyone to
get their heads around.

So what's this like from a user perspective?

ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.30 $ eclectic kernel 
Usage: eclectic kernel <action> <options>

Standard actions:
  help                      Display help text
  usage                     Display usage information
  version                   Display version information

Extra actions:
  list                      List available kernel symlink targets
  set                       Set a new kernel symlink target
  show                      Show the current kernel symlink

ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.30 $ eclectic kernel show
Current kernel symlink:
  linux-2.6.12-rc1          
ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.10 $ eclectic kernel list
Available kernel symlink targets:
  [1]   linux-2.6.10
  [2]   linux-2.6.11
  [3]   linux-2.6.11-rc5
  [4]   linux-2.6.12-rc1
ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.01 $ sudo eclectic kernel set 1
ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.01 $ eclectic kernel show
Current kernel symlink:
  linux-2.6.10              

It's all in colour, of course.

But wait, it gets sneakier. Say we install a kernel-config symlink to
eclectic. Then this will also work:

ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 1.50 $ kernel-config list
Available kernel symlink targets:
  [1]   linux-2.6.10
  [2]   linux-2.6.11
  [3]   linux-2.6.11-rc5
  [4]   linux-2.6.12-rc1

I added this sneaky little hack in that checks the binary name, and if
it's foo-config or foo-update, it treats it as eclectic foo [...]. So
you don't even get to whine about the stupid name :)

By the way, this could also implement GLEP 24 (consistent tool naming).
See, if you run eclectic with no arguments:

ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 1.36 $ eclectic 
Usage: eclectic <module name> <options>

Built-in modules:
  help                      Display a help message
  list-modules              Find and display available modules
  usage                     Display a usage message
  version                   Display version information

Extra modules:
  bashcomp                  Manage contributed bash-completion scripts
  blas                      Manage installed BLAS implementations.
  kernel                    Manage the /usr/src/linux symlink
  lapack                    Manage installed LAPACK implementations.
  mailer                    Manage the mailwrapper profiles in /etc/mail
  profile                   Manage the /etc/make.profile symlink

Automagically generated list of all the modules available.

*shrug* it's probably full of bugs still.

| There is a both a developer guide and a user guide as RST shipped with
| the source.

Rendered versions here for the lazy:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/tmp/eclectic/

|  * What do we need to accomplish to get the status of an "Official
|    Gentoo Project" ? Is a manager voting necessary ?

I'm staying out of this one...

Oh, we have an IRC channel if you have development questions. You can
figure out the name easily enough :)

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Mail            : ciaranm at gentoo.org
Web             : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm


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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1

[Kito]

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Very cool. Good work gentlemen.

On May 7, 2005, at 4:37 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

> On Sat, 07 May 2005 22:37:22 +0200 Danny van Dyk <kugelfang@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> | During the last few months, ciaranm, ka0ttic, slarti and me have been
> | working on "eclectic" [1], a modular administration and configuration
> | framework for Gentoo. Eclectic is completely written in bash and
> | unifies different tasks in one tool with a consistent user  
> interfaces.
>
> Might as well post a sample module... This one's the kernel symlink
> manager thingie, which I wrote mainly as a test / demo thing but it can
> be vaguely useful too:
>
> http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/*checkout*/eclectic/trunk/modules/ 
> kernel.eclectic
>
> Note the ebuild-like format that should be nice and easy for everyone  
> to
> get their heads around.
>
> So what's this like from a user perspective?
>
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.30 $ eclectic kernel
> Usage: eclectic kernel <action> <options>
>
> Standard actions:
>   help                      Display help text
>   usage                     Display usage information
>   version                   Display version information
>
> Extra actions:
>   list                      List available kernel symlink targets
>   set                       Set a new kernel symlink target
>   show                      Show the current kernel symlink
>
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.30 $ eclectic kernel show
> Current kernel symlink:
>   linux-2.6.12-rc1
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.10 $ eclectic kernel list
> Available kernel symlink targets:
>   [1]   linux-2.6.10
>   [2]   linux-2.6.11
>   [3]   linux-2.6.11-rc5
>   [4]   linux-2.6.12-rc1
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.01 $ sudo eclectic kernel set 1
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.01 $ eclectic kernel show
> Current kernel symlink:
>   linux-2.6.10
>
> It's all in colour, of course.
>
> But wait, it gets sneakier. Say we install a kernel-config symlink to
> eclectic. Then this will also work:
>
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 1.50 $ kernel-config list
> Available kernel symlink targets:
>   [1]   linux-2.6.10
>   [2]   linux-2.6.11
>   [3]   linux-2.6.11-rc5
>   [4]   linux-2.6.12-rc1
>
> I added this sneaky little hack in that checks the binary name, and if
> it's foo-config or foo-update, it treats it as eclectic foo [...]. So
> you don't even get to whine about the stupid name :)
>
> By the way, this could also implement GLEP 24 (consistent tool naming).
> See, if you run eclectic with no arguments:
>
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 1.36 $ eclectic
> Usage: eclectic <module name> <options>
>
> Built-in modules:
>   help                      Display a help message
>   list-modules              Find and display available modules
>   usage                     Display a usage message
>   version                   Display version information
>
> Extra modules:
>   bashcomp                  Manage contributed bash-completion scripts
>   blas                      Manage installed BLAS implementations.
>   kernel                    Manage the /usr/src/linux symlink
>   lapack                    Manage installed LAPACK implementations.
>   mailer                    Manage the mailwrapper profiles in  
> /etc/mail
>   profile                   Manage the /etc/make.profile symlink
>
> Automagically generated list of all the modules available.
>
> *shrug* it's probably full of bugs still.
>
> | There is a both a developer guide and a user guide as RST shipped  
> with
> | the source.
>
> Rendered versions here for the lazy:
>
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/tmp/eclectic/
>
> |  * What do we need to accomplish to get the status of an "Official
> |    Gentoo Project" ? Is a manager voting necessary ?
>
> I'm staying out of this one...
>
> Oh, we have an IRC channel if you have development questions. You can
> figure out the name easily enough :)
>
> -- 
> Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron)
> Mail            : ciaranm at gentoo.org
> Web             : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm
>
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1

[Aaron Walker]

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Danny van Dyk wrote:

>  * What is the best place for eclectic in the portage tree? app-admin as
>    it is an administrative tool? Or rather app-portage as it should be
>    used together with Gentoo only?

0.9.1 is in CVS as app-admin/eclectic.

Cheers
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		-- Schulz

Aaron Walker <ka0ttic@gentoo.org>
[ BSD | cron | forensics | shell-tools | commonbox | netmon | vim | web-apps ]
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1, [gentoo-dev]

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Sat, 07 May 2005 22:37:22 +0200 Danny van Dyk <kugelfang@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| Work on further modules is in progress like:

I just wrote an etc-update workalike as an eclectic module. Mostly as an
experiment to see how we're going to handle interactive stuff... Sample
session at:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/tmp/eclectic/config-tool.shtml

If you want to play, grab the latest SVN. Usual disclaimer about this
thing being chock full of bugs and merely a proof of concept applies.

No doubt we'll find some practical uses for this thing at some point :)

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Mail            : ciaranm at gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1, [gentoo-dev]

[Marius Mauch]

Danny van Dyk wrote:
>  * profile:
>    List and switch Gentoo portage profiles. Check if selected
>    profile is valid in regard to used "ARCH".

Hmm, have to check this out and see if I can obsolete my own little hack 
for changing profile.

>  * What do we need to accomplish to get the status of an "Official
>    Gentoo Project" ? Is a manager voting necessary ?

Just put it as a subproject under base as it doesn't have the substance 
for a TLP, and I don't think azarah would mind it ;)

>  * What do the maintainers of Gentoo's various -config and -update
>    scripts think about converting their scripts into eclectic modules ?

Neither etc-update nor env-update fall into this domain.

>  * What is the best place for eclectic in the portage tree? app-admin as
>    it is an administrative tool? Or rather app-portage as it should be
>    used together with Gentoo only?

Keep it in app-admin as it isn't really portage related.

Nice to finally see this becoming public.

Marius
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1, [gentoo-dev]

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Mon, 09 May 2005 04:00:08 +0300 Marius Mauch <genone@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| >  * What do the maintainers of Gentoo's various -config and -update
| >    scripts think about converting their scripts into eclectic
| >    modules ?
| 
| Neither etc-update nor env-update fall into this domain.

Heh, although I've already reimplemented etc-update as an eclectic
module just for the hell of it. Blame Jason for asking me about
interactive tools.

| Nice to finally see this becoming public.

Yeah, can't keep the cool toys hidden forever I guess :(

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Re: [gentoo-dev]

[Aaron Walker]

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Marius Mauch wrote:
> Danny van Dyk wrote:
> 
>>  * profile:
>>    List and switch Gentoo portage profiles. Check if selected
>>    profile is valid in regard to used "ARCH".
> 
> 
> Hmm, have to check this out and see if I can obsolete my own little hack
> for changing profile.

Wasn't available in 0.9.1 but is in 0.9.2.  It currently only shows one
possible valid profile though since of course profiles.desc only shows one per
arch.

Judging by some gentoo-commits.log sed/sort/grep -c-foo there's still quite a
few ppl using 2.0.51.19 so looks like we'll have to wait a little bit before we
can update profiles.desc.

Cheers
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		-- J.K. Galbraith

Aaron Walker <ka0ttic@gentoo.org>
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Monday 09 May 2005 03:00, Marius Mauch wrote:
>
> Just put it as a subproject under base as it doesn't have the substance
> for a TLP, and I don't think azarah would mind it ;)

It should be under the tools project. This is clearly a tool.

Paul

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