From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j47FlXEa003173 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 15:47:34 GMT Received: from [62.254.189.226] (helo=snowdrop) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1DURWm-00014j-9c for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 15:47:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=snowdrop) by snowdrop with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DURad-0002U9-Mt for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:51:39 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 16:51:36 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] new glep draft: Portage as a secondary package manager Message-ID: <20050507165136.203eb877@snowdrop> In-Reply-To: <496a69ca1beb83ff3b5ee29ed055ba7c@gentoo.org> References: <42761B77.4030206@salomon.at> <20050502151356.6d9ca385@snowdrop> <20050503000229.GA10998@exodus.wit.org> <20050503151220.076cc62f@snowdrop> <20050505084849.GC13705@exodus.wit.org> <20050505150105.7fc5f5de@snowdrop> <20050506050958.GH13705@exodus.wit.org> <20050506142849.2aefb952@snowdrop> <20050507010518.GO13705@exodus.wit.org> <20050507023920.0d9d27a3@snowdrop> <20050507070817.GA12172@exodus.wit.org> <20050507154950.1ccd0596@snowdrop> <496a69ca1beb83ff3b5ee29ed055ba7c@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-Message-Flag: It's a feature, not a bug Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Signature_Sat__7_May_2005_16_51_36_+0100_61Fi9om/4I89IaVN"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 X-Archives-Salt: 7256c587-c4f2-4d2b-9d0a-ab1c9b3731dd X-Archives-Hash: 5afcc42a3a040a371e4030e56b277a2a --Signature_Sat__7_May_2005_16_51_36_+0100_61Fi9om/4I89IaVN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 7 May 2005 10:31:49 -0500 Kito wrote: | > Isn't going to work. A lot of these changes need package-specific | > knowledge that most people just don't have. |=20 | If a dev doesn't have adequate knowledge for a particular package he=20 | shouldn't be fscking with it in the first place. So there said package | can sit, having only the ability to install to / just like it always=20 | has until someone with interest/need/knowledge comes along and takes=20 | care of it. You and I know that. Brian seems to be assuming that the people that do the work will know how to handle every single package in the tree. | All the points you are making sound like the result of too much crisis | management, progress shouldn't be impeded by fear of work or change. Eh? No. It's about getting a major change done cleanly and without causing another disaster of OSX-sized proportions. | > No, they're a demonstration of why the GLEP in its current form is | > inadequate. I'll carry on pulling up further examples until you | > realise that it's not just a minor issue, it's a huge problem that | > needs a big change to the GLEP. |=20 | How about suggesting what that big change would be? I've done that already several times in this thread. | > The reason that this thing was written up as a GLEP was because the | > author was trying to bypass the discussion and get around having to | > fix various flaws that had been pointed out previously. | > | > | Could you break it down to "if I'm going into home, I need xyz at | > | the home level rather then global/usr" ? | > | > Hrm. Being able to say "I need xyz installed globally, and abc=20 | > installed | > either globally or at home level" would work if and only if there | > was a way of finding out where abc and xyz had been installed. |=20 | Hmmm, what about a possible extension to the world file or a create a=20 | new file to store metadata such as the package installation prefix. Needs to be easily accessible from the ebuild. Parsing things in bash is a nuisance. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm --Signature_Sat__7_May_2005_16_51_36_+0100_61Fi9om/4I89IaVN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCfOQK96zL6DUtXhERAqUUAJ9c68pIlwYXPuqv5bL70LYYLPiDyQCfQBi9 vmPwRfNFqfK6RuBlassa8CM= =778M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature_Sat__7_May_2005_16_51_36_+0100_61Fi9om/4I89IaVN-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list