From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j47Ejkbg015971 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:45:46 GMT Received: from [62.254.189.226] (helo=snowdrop) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1DUQYy-000285-DI for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 14:45:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=snowdrop) by snowdrop with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUQcr-0001ld-SX for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 15:49:53 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:49:50 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] new glep draft: Portage as a secondary package manager Message-ID: <20050507154950.1ccd0596@snowdrop> In-Reply-To: <20050507070817.GA12172@exodus.wit.org> References: <42761B77.4030206@salomon.at> <20050502151356.6d9ca385@snowdrop> <20050503000229.GA10998@exodus.wit.org> <20050503151220.076cc62f@snowdrop> <20050505084849.GC13705@exodus.wit.org> <20050505150105.7fc5f5de@snowdrop> <20050506050958.GH13705@exodus.wit.org> <20050506142849.2aefb952@snowdrop> <20050507010518.GO13705@exodus.wit.org> <20050507023920.0d9d27a3@snowdrop> <20050507070817.GA12172@exodus.wit.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-Message-Flag: It's a feature, not a bug Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Signature_Sat__7_May_2005_15_49_50_+0100_DMXRzUjA=H+8.q3X"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 X-Archives-Salt: f0022b9d-3ae7-4cfd-8746-2c18ee0cb3bb X-Archives-Hash: 25ced9c80bdd6abcf10cba4c33f62f55 --Signature_Sat__7_May_2005_15_49_50_+0100_DMXRzUjA=H+8.q3X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 7 May 2005 02:08:17 -0500 Brian Harring wrote: | Re: changes, yes, things will need changes, and again, as stated=20 | thrice, those who want the changes are the ones who are stuck doing=20 | said changes. In other words, the actual work required to=20 | cleanse/correct the tree isn't getting dumped on ebuild devs as a | whole. =20 Isn't going to work. A lot of these changes need package-specific knowledge that most people just don't have. | In other words, you would be wise to snipe the suggested changes to=20 | writing an ebuild, rather then dragging out example after example of=20 | possible required changes to the tree. The examples you're dragging=20 | out basically come down to making sure the ebuild is 'correct' for the | package. I can just as quickly drag out example after example of=20 | potential mistakes ebuild devs can make _now_. No, they're a demonstration of why the GLEP in its current form is inadequate. I'll carry on pulling up further examples until you realise that it's not just a minor issue, it's a huge problem that needs a big change to the GLEP. | Remember that gleps go through several rounds of=20 | discussion, I'd like to see this round keep moving rather then get=20 | stuck in the mud. The reason that this thing was written up as a GLEP was because the author was trying to bypass the discussion and get around having to fix various flaws that had been pointed out previously. | Could you break it down to "if I'm going into home, I need xyz at the=20 | home level rather then global/usr" ? Hrm. Being able to say "I need xyz installed globally, and abc installed either globally or at home level" would work if and only if there was a way of finding out where abc and xyz had been installed. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm --Signature_Sat__7_May_2005_15_49_50_+0100_DMXRzUjA=H+8.q3X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCfNWQ96zL6DUtXhERAiT2AJ4oqPcRSEzH78G7Y3W1D+qTUvLCfACgrYqI swe3gWROY4gO75Hg6w14YWc= =5Tri -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature_Sat__7_May_2005_15_49_50_+0100_DMXRzUjA=H+8.q3X-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list