From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3MMHdhA028058 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:17:39 GMT Received: from mail.deploylinux.net ([207.178.245.198]) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DP6SV-00080l-GJ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:17:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.deploylinux.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61B3F5951; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.deploylinux.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02995-20; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Shelly.DeployLinuxConsulting.local (shelly.private.deploylinux.net [207.178.245.146]) by mail.deploylinux.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263CBF5944; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gentoo-dev] Creating a dedicated gentoo profile for commercial mysql support To: wolf31o2@gentoo.org From: "Matthew Marlowe" Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:18:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Time Matters 6.0.1.4 Message-Id: <20050422221735.263CBF5944@mail.deploylinux.net> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Archives-Salt: 47642b7b-9534-4a49-b453-3da1c2b50353 X-Archives-Hash: 7651e4a5f23abc1abdea837d6e73a851 I dont know whether this should be a GLEP or just a simple email, but I'll start as an email.... GENERAL BACKGROUND: -------------------------------------------- Gentoo is being increasingly deployed in datacenter environments, especially in multilayered apache/tomcat/mysql configurations. Many clients in the 10-25 box range have decided to switch their infrastructure entirely to gentoo due to satisfaction with gentoo's ease of configuration and overall lifetime flexibility with key applications (no need to reinstall/make a major upgrade of the OS - and no RPM hell). Recently, Mysql AB has released two new features/products: cluster support and mysql network (a commercial support offering). As a consultant, I have several clients looking to deploy both. However, the clients are worried that they are going to be forced to switch their DB layers to redhat to ensure stability and support. Mysql also participates in TSA Network such that any mysql server issues could be reported to them and multiple vendors including dell, redhat, and mysql would all work together to resolve problems. Dell has just launched a mysql support program at http://www.dell.com/mysql. RECENT ACTIONS -------------------------------- I had multiple discussion with mysql representatives at the mysql users conference this week in Santa Clara. Mysql initially had a two faced response: They would try to support all their customers to the extent possible due to a strong commitment to no bugs in their code, however the more complex your mysql configuration was the more they wanted you to be on a certified platform (which involves mysql building a test environment and putting it through extensive regression testing for a period of time, they have contracted out with a third party testing company to do this for each platform and some hardware configurations). They didn't know how they could do this to gentoo based on the fact that one person's gentoo was different than anothers. I was told that at least three individuals: Andy Bang (Marketing VP, manager mysql network), Arjen(sp?) (Community Relations), and Brian Akker(sp?) would all have to approve adding a new platform. During the conference I spoke with Andy and Arjen about gentoo discussion regarding creating a server profile, and at least locking key libraries for six month intervals. Mysql also told me they were receiving many requests for gentoo support, and if gentoo could get a server profile setup, they would be interested in supporting it - as it would make their gentoo users happy and provide additional income via mysql network. So, there appears to be a deal that can be reached here. I will try to speak with Brian Akker and any other individuals at mysql next week to confirm an agreement. Last night, I broached the idea on the gentoo-dev channel and suggested that if the generic server profile wasn't ready - I should at least be able to create a specific profile dedicated to commercial mysql support. Others seemed to agree, although a few technical issues were brought up and which would need to be resolved. I was also told to confer with gentoo-releng before starting any new profile work. I also posted a question about the server profile status to gentoo-server, but there wasn't a substantive response and after 1-2 years of waiting, I'm not sure I want to depend on it. (the above isn't meant to slam it, it's just that my clients can't wait any longer). I messeged wolf31o2 and he seemed ammenable, but asked that an email be sent out and this is that email. PROPOSAL: -------------------- Creation of a "commercial/amd64/mysql" profile under /usr/portage/profiles. The directory structure is setup so that any other developers could create dedicated profiles for similiar commercial support w/o cluttering up the tree. Everything would be under /usr/portage/profiles/commercial. I would initially use default-linux/amd64/2005.0/no-multilib as the base for modification as this is what I currently use on our servers. After submitting the new profile and testing it, I would create online documentation that both gentoo and mysql could reference to and provide ongoing maintenance for the profile- but would avoid making any significant changes other than at 6-12 month intervals. As for the mysql installation itself on these boxes, these would be binaries provided by mysql for two reasons: 1) Mysql binaries are compiled with icc which could provide significant performance gains for the targeted user base. Untill icc is fully compatible with portage, I'd rather avoid installing icc myself on customer boxes. 2) Mysql would prefer their own binaries for certification. Regards, MattM -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list