[gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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GLEP 34 (category metadata) [1] is now fully implemented. Well, I say
fully. Actually, it isn't, since I don't have write access to the
sec-policy directory. But that really isn't a problem, since only two
people actually care what's in there anyway, and one of them can't read.

Package maintainers, feel free to update the descriptions if you can
come up with something better. It's fairly likely you'll be able to add
in a couple more helpful sentences, since I never go anywhere near some
categories. If you're fluent in non-English, by all means add in other
languages, but only do this if you're actually sure you're going to
spell things properly -- this is why I stuck to English only...

If you're committing, **remember to use utf-8**. If your language uses
all kinds of weird accented characters, you could really screw things up
if you don't.

The correct way to commit a *category* metadata file at the moment is:
    xmllint --noout --valid metadata.xml
    glep31check metadata.xml
    cvs commit -m "blah blah" metadata.xml

You can get glep31check from [2]. It's just a little utf-8 checker.

As a result of this, and with a bit of help from vim7's built-in spell
checker, I now know how to spell miscellaneous correctly without having
to think about it.

There's nothing in the metadata docs [3] about it yet. But then, the
metadata docs are massively out of date anyway (we've had repoman
support for ages...). You can get everything you need from the GLEP and
the DTD -- any questions, just ask.

1: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0034.html
2: http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/overlay/app-portage/glep31check/
3:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=2&chap=4

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Joshua Brindle]

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

>GLEP 34 (category metadata) [1] is now fully implemented. Well, I say
>fully. Actually, it isn't, since I don't have write access to the
>sec-policy directory.
>
With good reason..

> But that really isn't a problem, since only two
>people actually care what's in there anyway, and one of them can't read.
>
>  
>
Don't care or read what? Most developers can't track of -dev even a
little, if something mandatory was suppose to be done certainly it
should have been said on -core and then directly to people who have to
do it themselves (hardened), Getting on -dev and defaming us just makes
you look like an ass.


Joshua


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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:49:01 -0500 Joshua Brindle <method@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| >GLEP 34 (category metadata) [1] is now fully implemented. Well, I say
| >fully. Actually, it isn't, since I don't have write access to the
| >sec-policy directory.
| >
| With good reason..

What, you're still claiming that the hardened project has 'grown beyond'
Gentoo? *shrug* if you want to make yourselves out as a different
distribution from the rest of us then that's fine by me. I'd be more
than happy to completely ignore anything to do with selinux if you
prefer -- it'd halve the time it takes me to bump certain packages.

| Don't care or read what? Most developers can't track of -dev even a
| little, if something mandatory was suppose to be done certainly it
| should have been said on -core and then directly to people who have to
| do it themselves (hardened), Getting on -dev and defaming us just
| makes you look like an ass.

I had a metadata.xml file written out for sec-policy and everything, but
thanks to those utterly pointless CVS restrictions I couldn't commit it.

Really, what's the reason behind keeping the lock in place, other than
that it makes you feel special? As you've seen, I and several others who
aren't part of your elite posse have entirely legitimate reasons for
touching things in there on occasion.  We all already have more than
enough access to totally kill the tree anyway (including being able to
force an overwrite of anything installed by sec-policy/*), so you can't
claim security.

*shrug* Maybe you should just switch to using your own tree rather than
trusting anything that's coming from us mere mortals.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 02:46 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Package maintainers, feel free to update the descriptions if you can
> come up with something better. It's fairly likely you'll be able to add
> in a couple more helpful sentences, since I never go anywhere near some
> categories. If you're fluent in non-English, by all means add in other
> languages, but only do this if you're actually sure you're going to
> spell things properly -- this is why I stuck to English only...

Do these metadata files support <herd> and <maintainer>?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:51:59 -0500 Chris Gianelloni
<wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:
| On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 02:46 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > Package maintainers, feel free to update the descriptions if you can
| > come up with something better. It's fairly likely you'll be able to
| > add in a couple more helpful sentences, since I never go anywhere
| > near some categories. If you're fluent in non-English, by all means
| > add in other languages, but only do this if you're actually sure
| > you're going to spell things properly -- this is why I stuck to
| > English only...
| 
| Do these metadata files support <herd> and <maintainer>?

Hrm, according to the DTD, no. You'll need to persuade pauldv on that
one if you want to use them...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Wednesday 23 March 2005 15:56, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:51:59 -0500 Chris Gianelloni
>
> <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:
> | On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 02:46 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | > Package maintainers, feel free to update the descriptions if you can
> | > come up with something better. It's fairly likely you'll be able to
> | > add in a couple more helpful sentences, since I never go anywhere
> | > near some categories. If you're fluent in non-English, by all means
> | > add in other languages, but only do this if you're actually sure
> | > you're going to spell things properly -- this is why I stuck to
> | > English only...
> |
> | Do these metadata files support <herd> and <maintainer>?
>
> Hrm, according to the DTD, no. You'll need to persuade pauldv on that
> one if you want to use them...

If you give me a good reason I'll be persuaded. If however you look back at 
the herds proposal there is no linkage between categories and herds. To add 
this would possibly introduce that. I also want to have some kind of meaning 
added on putting herd and maintainer in category metadata. Especially for 
maintainer it would seem strange that someone could maintain all packages in 
a category.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 09:26 +0100, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > Hrm, according to the DTD, no. You'll need to persuade pauldv on that
> > one if you want to use them...
> 
> If you give me a good reason I'll be persuaded. If however you look back at 
> the herds proposal there is no linkage between categories and herds. To add 
> this would possibly introduce that. I also want to have some kind of meaning 
> added on putting herd and maintainer in category metadata. Especially for 
> maintainer it would seem strange that someone could maintain all packages in 
> a category.

Well, games-* could be herd: games... and games-fps could be herd: games
maintainer: vapier, wolf31o2...  I'm also sure that app-vim could be
herd: vim...  Just like app-emacs could be herd: emacs...

There are herds that are specifically designed to maintain a category.
Take net-mail or net-print (printing) as examples.  At the very minimum,
I can see value in being able to assign a herd to a category, if not a
maintainer.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Aaron Walker]

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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 02:46 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> 
>>Package maintainers, feel free to update the descriptions if you can
>>come up with something better. It's fairly likely you'll be able to add
>>in a couple more helpful sentences, since I never go anywhere near some
>>categories. If you're fluent in non-English, by all means add in other
>>languages, but only do this if you're actually sure you're going to
>>spell things properly -- this is why I stuck to English only...
> 
> 
> Do these metadata files support <herd> and <maintainer>?
> 

- From a post from ciaranm in the original thread:

| > The ``<herd>`` and ``<maintainer>`` elements are not generally
| > relevant at the category level.
|
| If they are, can they be used?

The DTD says they can be. Or, at least, I see no reason to impose
additional restrictions saying that they can't. I wouldn't consider them
an appropriate substitute for per-package metadata, however.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Michael Kohl]

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:46:08 +0000
Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@gentoo.org> wrote:

> GLEP 34 (category metadata) [1] is now fully implemented.

Thanks for getting this done so quickly! :)

> If you're fluent in non-English, by all means add in other languages,

I've just added German longdescriptions for all the app- categories
(well, besides app-vim where you seem to have done this yourself). I
will continue with the other categories later today and tomorrow.

BTW: Will there be a tool for our users to easily extract information
from the category metadata? Something like 'equery catinfo de app-vim'
could be nice for example.

Cheers,
Michael

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Juergen Hoetzel]

On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 12:52:46PM +0100, Michael Kohl wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:46:08 +0000
> Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > GLEP 34 (category metadata) [1] is now fully implemented.
> 
> Thanks for getting this done so quickly! :)
> 
> > If you're fluent in non-English, by all means add in other languages,
> 
> I've just added German longdescriptions for all the app- categories
> (well, besides app-vim where you seem to have done this yourself). I
> will continue with the other categories later today and tomorrow.
> 
> BTW: Will there be a tool for our users to easily extract information
> from the category metadata? Something like 'equery catinfo de app-vim'
                                                             ^^
It would be nice if this is handled by locale settings.
> could be nice for example.
> 
> Cheers,
> Michael

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:52:46 +0100 Michael Kohl <citizen428@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| I've just added German longdescriptions for all the app- categories
| (well, besides app-vim where you seem to have done this yourself). I
| will continue with the other categories later today and tomorrow.

Cool.

| BTW: Will there be a tool for our users to easily extract information
| from the category metadata? Something like 'equery catinfo de app-vim'
| could be nice for example.

The descriptions will likely show up on packages.g.o at some point (once
Marduk gets around to it :) ). As for other stuff, I'm not aware of any
existing tool that plays around with metadata.xml (other than herdstat).
I could make one (to replace my nasty ewhoistoblame hack) if there's
interest, but if I did it it'd be done in ruby...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Michael Kohl]

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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:22:24 +0000
Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@gentoo.org> wrote:

> As for other stuff, I'm not aware of any existing tool that plays
> around with metadata.xml (other than herdstat). I could make one (to
> replace my nasty ewhoistoblame hack) 

Well, your ewhoistoblame hack is what I currently use for this purpose.

> but if I did it it'd be done in ruby...

As the Ruby herd was what got me involved in Gentoo development, you
won't hear any objections to that from me. ;) 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Fernando J. Pereda]

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On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:46:08AM +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Package maintainers, feel free to update the descriptions if you can
> come up with something better. It's fairly likely you'll be able to add
> in a couple more helpful sentences, since I never go anywhere near some
> categories. If you're fluent in non-English, by all means add in other
> languages, but only do this if you're actually sure you're going to
> spell things properly -- this is why I stuck to English only...


Thanks for your work on this.

Spanish translations are mostly finished. There are a couple of them
missing iirc but araujo will take care of them. BTW surprisingly enough
I actually *could* write the sec-policy/metadata.xml...

Cheers,
Ferdy

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:46:08 +0000 Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| If you're committing, **remember to use utf-8**. If your language uses
| all kinds of weird accented characters, you could really screw things
| up if you don't.
| 
| The correct way to commit a *category* metadata file at the moment is:
|     xmllint --noout --valid metadata.xml
|     glep31check metadata.xml
|     cvs commit -m "blah blah" metadata.xml

Hrm, and if you're running *vim but not using ~arch, and if you have
some weird locale setting, you might want to upgrade to ~arch and accept
all the changes to /etc/vim/vimrc. It's RedHat's fault (long story).

*shrug* No huge deal really, I'm waiting for nano's utf-8 support to be
confirmed stable and working before I go through and tidy up the
remaining impure characters in the tree.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> *shrug* No huge deal really, I'm waiting for nano's utf-8 support to be
> confirmed stable and working before I go through and tidy up the
> remaining impure characters in the tree.

I love you, Ciaran.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 34 (category metadata) implemented

[Mike Frysinger]

On Saturday 26 March 2005 03:57 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> *shrug* No huge deal really, I'm waiting for nano's utf-8 support to be
> confirmed stable and working before I go through and tidy up the
> remaining impure characters in the tree.

1.3.5 is known to be busted up, but 1.3.6 should be fine ... i dont use UTF8 
myself so can someone confirm this ?
-mike
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