[gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Donnie Berkholz]

In -r4 (previously -r2), we've moved /usr/X11R6/lib to /usr/lib and
created a symlink. This obviously results in some significant changes.

6.8.0-r4 is hard-masked. It will take a little work to emerge. If you
can't figure out how to test it, I'd prefer that you don't test it for
now.

It adds some new USE flags that most of you will want to enable,
including: font-server, opengl, truetype-fonts, type1-fonts and xv. They
are all described in /usr/portage/profiles/use.* so I won't describe
them again. I will be adding most of these flags to the defaults in
profiles, with the possible exception of font-server.

Another USE flag that I'm pleased with is "minimal." It disables
building all of the sample clients, all of the fonts and many of the
drivers. A test install using this was 28MB, compared to 100MB-150MB for
a full-featured install.

The final new flag is uclibc, for people using a uclibc-based Gentoo
installation.

There are also a number of miscellaneous fixes, including bugs:
38549: Newport acceleration (MIPS machines)
70431: Fix Xnest segfaults
64929, 59746, 60131: Fix totem, kaffeine, gxine lockups
63767: Support Cherry CyMotion Master XPress and IBM Space Saver
keyboards
67845: Fix dual-monitor Radeon setups
68414: Build the Lucida 75dpi and 100dpi fonts
68726: Add xbox nvidia driver
fd.o 1501: Prevent libGL segfault when /dev/dri/card* are unreadable
64618: Fix unresolved symbol problems when using hardened and the
dlloader

Please file a bug at bugs.gentoo.org for each problem you encounter.

I'm unaware of any problems with the migration -r4 at present. However,
downgrading without uninstalling -r4 will result in any other versions
being installed to the symlinked /usr/X11R6/lib also. If anyone has a
good solution to this, please file a bug.

Thanks,
Donnie


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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:01:06 -0800 Donnie Berkholz
<spyderous@gentoo.org> wrote:
| Another USE flag that I'm pleased with is "minimal." It disables
| building all of the sample clients, all of the fonts and many of the
| drivers. A test install using this was 28MB, compared to 100MB-150MB
| for a full-featured install.

Hm, is it worth moving minimal to be a global?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Ned Ludd]

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On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 19:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:01:06 -0800 Donnie Berkholz
> <spyderous@gentoo.org> wrote:
> | Another USE flag that I'm pleased with is "minimal." It disables
> | building all of the sample clients, all of the fonts and many of the
> | drivers. A test install using this was 28MB, compared to 100MB-150MB
> | for a full-featured install.
> 
> Hm, is it worth moving minimal to be a global?

yes

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 15:01 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Another USE flag that I'm pleased with is "minimal." It disables
> building all of the sample clients, all of the fonts and many of the
> drivers. A test install using this was 28MB, compared to 100MB-150MB for
> a full-featured install.

Please expound on the "many" of "many of the drivers" for us or point us
to a location that describes exactly what this removes.  I'm curious,
because I am currently using "minimal" on LiveCD builds due to its
impact on vim, but I probably will not want it on xorg-x11 if it could
possibly break systems or leave out functionality that others will want,
which means I will have to work around this.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:10:48 -0500 Chris Gianelloni
<wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:
| On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 15:01 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
| > Another USE flag that I'm pleased with is "minimal." It disables
| > building all of the sample clients, all of the fonts and many of the
| > drivers. A test install using this was 28MB, compared to 100MB-150MB
| > for a full-featured install.
| 
| Please expound on the "many" of "many of the drivers" for us or point
| us to a location that describes exactly what this removes.  I'm
| curious, because I am currently using "minimal" on LiveCD builds due
| to its impact on vim, but I probably will not want it on xorg-x11 if
| it could possibly break systems or leave out functionality that others
| will want, which means I will have to work around this.

Ick. I'd be inclined to not use minimal vim for livecds, it's *really*
stripped down...  What're the deps pulled in by non-minimal vim that you
don't like?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 15:39 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Ick. I'd be inclined to not use minimal vim for livecds, it's *really*
> stripped down...  What're the deps pulled in by non-minimal vim that you
> don't like?

I honestly have not researched it very far other than to find that vim
(and vim-core) using USE="livecd minimal" came out with a LiveCD that
was nearly 10MB smaller (after squashfs).  Considering the entire x86
minimal LiveCD is 50MB, that is a very significant savings.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:21:51 -0500 Chris Gianelloni
<wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:
| On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 15:39 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > Ick. I'd be inclined to not use minimal vim for livecds, it's
| > *really* stripped down...  What're the deps pulled in by non-minimal
| > vim that you don't like?
| 
| I honestly have not researched it very far other than to find that vim
| (and vim-core) using USE="livecd minimal" came out with a LiveCD that
| was nearly 10MB smaller (after squashfs).  Considering the entire x86
| minimal LiveCD is 50MB, that is a very significant savings.

Hm, I suspect it's the livecd USE flag on vim-core that's doing most of
that... Built as:

[   R   ] =app-editors/vim-7.0_alpha20040924  -acl -cscope -debug
-gpm -minimal -mzscheme +ncurses -nls -perl -python -ruby (-selinux)
-tcltk -vim-with-x 0 kB [1]

which includes proper terminal support, vim comes to about a meg on the
system I'm on right now. With minimal turned on it comes to just over
400KBytes. vim-core built normally is about eleven megs across a
thousand or so files, built with USE="livecd -nls" it's one meg and ~200
files (and I could probably nuke a hundred or so of those, if you don't
mind upsetting people who want to use straaange keymaps).

So, if half a meg (assuming you already have ncurses) isn't too high a
price for decent terminal (terminfo rather than termcap) support, you
might not necessarily be best with the minimal USE flag turned on (I'm
guessing catalyst still doesn't do per-package USE flags easily?).

[ Disclaimer: measured using my experimental vim7 ebuilds which won't be
in the tree until at least 65216 and 66762 are closed, so don't even
think about asking, mkay? vim6 should be fairly similar though... ]

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 17:01 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Hm, I suspect it's the livecd USE flag on vim-core that's doing most of
> that... Built as:
> 
> [   R   ] =app-editors/vim-7.0_alpha20040924  -acl -cscope -debug
> -gpm -minimal -mzscheme +ncurses -nls -perl -python -ruby (-selinux)
> -tcltk -vim-with-x 0 kB [1]
> 
> which includes proper terminal support, vim comes to about a meg on the
> system I'm on right now. With minimal turned on it comes to just over
> 400KBytes. vim-core built normally is about eleven megs across a
> thousand or so files, built with USE="livecd -nls" it's one meg and ~200
> files (and I could probably nuke a hundred or so of those, if you don't
> mind upsetting people who want to use straaange keymaps).
> 
> So, if half a meg (assuming you already have ncurses) isn't too high a
> price for decent terminal (terminfo rather than termcap) support, you
> might not necessarily be best with the minimal USE flag turned on (I'm
> guessing catalyst still doesn't do per-package USE flags easily?).

Actually, it can use package.use just like any normal system.

I'll look into it and see what I can come up with, but it looks like
I'll probably end up running from now on *without* USE=minimal on the
LiveCD.  We're already using USE="livecd -nls", so that savings was
definitely appreciated.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 09:10 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 15:01 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > Another USE flag that I'm pleased with is "minimal." It disables
> > building all of the sample clients, all of the fonts and many of the
> > drivers. A test install using this was 28MB, compared to 100MB-150MB for
> > a full-featured install.
> 
> Please expound on the "many" of "many of the drivers" for us or point us
> to a location that describes exactly what this removes.  I'm curious,
> because I am currently using "minimal" on LiveCD builds due to its
> impact on vim, but I probably will not want it on xorg-x11 if it could
> possibly break systems or leave out functionality that others will want,
> which means I will have to work around this.

OK, here's some more info on minimal, pulled straight from searching the
ebuild for occurrences of "minimal":

1. No fonts. None. Zero. This means X always dies with "Can't find font
fixed" unless you provide your own. This could potentially be changed if
I find a way to just build the "misc" fonts.

2. None of Tad's fancy cursors

3. No clients. This includes xfs, xdm and xkbcomp.

4. Nothing in /usr/share/doc

5. No Xnest or Xvfb

6. Input drivers limited to mouse and keyboard. Nothing fancy like
aiptek or wacom.

7. For x86 only, remove these video drivers: nsc, glint, tga, s3,
s3virge, rendition, neomagic, i740, cirrus, tseng, trident, chips, apm,
ark, cyrix, siliconmotion. I wasn't sure what was safe for other archs
and didn't want to play around without some more research.

Of those, the only questionable ones to me are s3, s3virge and
especially siliconmotion. I could see the latter being popular on
systems that would otherwise use the "minimal" flag.

8. No man pages

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 09:08 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> 2. None of Tad's fancy cursors

This reminds me to pull some of the other cursor sets too -- redglass
and whiteglass. Only core and handhelds will remain once I get that
figured out. That'll save another ~4MB.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Donnie Berkholz wrote:

> (Lots of stuff removed)

With opengl-update & xorg-x11 appropriately unmasked, and with
patches applied as described at
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61063

Then xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 builds (hardened+dlloader) and runs so
far for sparc.  Details at the bug report for anyone who is
interested.

Regards,

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Donnie Berkholz]

On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 09:08, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> 7. For x86 only, remove these video drivers: nsc, glint, tga, s3,
> s3virge, rendition, neomagic, i740, cirrus, tseng, trident, chips, apm,
> ark, cyrix, siliconmotion. I wasn't sure what was safe for other archs
> and didn't want to play around without some more research.
> 
> Of those, the only questionable ones to me are s3, s3virge and
> especially siliconmotion. I could see the latter being popular on
> systems that would otherwise use the "minimal" flag.

After thinking about this a little, it occurred to me that for a truly
minimal system, perhaps only the fbdev, vesa and vga drivers would be
wanted.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 10:50 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 09:08, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > 7. For x86 only, remove these video drivers: nsc, glint, tga, s3,
> > s3virge, rendition, neomagic, i740, cirrus, tseng, trident, chips, apm,
> > ark, cyrix, siliconmotion. I wasn't sure what was safe for other archs
> > and didn't want to play around without some more research.
> > 
> > Of those, the only questionable ones to me are s3, s3virge and
> > especially siliconmotion. I could see the latter being popular on
> > systems that would otherwise use the "minimal" flag.
> 
> After thinking about this a little, it occurred to me that for a truly
> minimal system, perhaps only the fbdev, vesa and vga drivers would be
> wanted.

That would definitely be cool.  Along the same lines, would there be
some way to compile these drivers outside of the xorg-x11 ebuild?  The
reason that I ask is USE="minimal" looks *perfect* for a GameCD, but
without some of the drivers, it would probably not work out too well.
Then again, I could just say that only cards that are supported via the
"nvidia-*" and "ati-drivers" are supported, which would make things much
easier... once ATI actually fixes their drivers to work with xorg 6.8.0,
that is... *rolleyes*

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Donnie Berkholz]

On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 12:31, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 10:50 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > After thinking about this a little, it occurred to me that for a truly
> > minimal system, perhaps only the fbdev, vesa and vga drivers would be
> > wanted.
> 
> That would definitely be cool.  Along the same lines, would there be
> some way to compile these drivers outside of the xorg-x11 ebuild?  The
> reason that I ask is USE="minimal" looks *perfect* for a GameCD, but
> without some of the drivers, it would probably not work out too well.
> Then again, I could just say that only cards that are supported via the
> "nvidia-*" and "ati-drivers" are supported, which would make things much
> easier... once ATI actually fixes their drivers to work with xorg 6.8.0,
> that is... *rolleyes*

In theory, yeah if you build xorg with USE=sdk. See ati-gatos,
linuxwacom or synaptics ebuilds for examples of things that take
advantage of this. In reality, some of the drivers are problably broken
WRT compiling against the SDK. Only way to know is to test. But having
only the binary drivers as options is a good possibility since they're
also the only ones that work with a number of recent GameCD candidate
games.

By the way, most games use fonts. So having them would be a plus. But
it's worth testing just how bad the misc fonts look, I guess. I'm
working on having them be the only ones built with "minimal."

I'm sure ATI will support 6.8 soon enough, unless they want everyone
running to Nvidia.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 11:58 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> In theory, yeah if you build xorg with USE=sdk. See ati-gatos,
> linuxwacom or synaptics ebuilds for examples of things that take
> advantage of this. In reality, some of the drivers are problably broken
> WRT compiling against the SDK. Only way to know is to test. But having
> only the binary drivers as options is a good possibility since they're
> also the only ones that work with a number of recent GameCD candidate
> games.

Yeah, I'm mostly looking for a way to squeeze out some more space for
the GameCD, so I can make some CDs smaller and so I can fit some bigger
games (America's Army, anyone?) on a single CD.

> By the way, most games use fonts. So having them would be a plus. But
> it's worth testing just how bad the misc fonts look, I guess. I'm
> working on having them be the only ones built with "minimal."

I'm not sure that any of the binary released games use any fonts, but it
would be something to check out.

> I'm sure ATI will support 6.8 soon enough, unless they want everyone
> running to Nvidia.

Next release, they say, but I can't remember how long the ATI product
cycle is for driver releases.  I think it is something like every 2
months, which means we're still something like 7 weeks away from a new
release.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 11:58 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> WRT compiling against the SDK. Only way to know is to test. But having
> only the binary drivers as options is a good possibility since they're
> also the only ones that work with a number of recent GameCD candidate
> games.

Half on-topic:  Any chance of 51726 being fixed (moving all the
opengl-foo to /etc) in opengl-update-2.0?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Donnie Berkholz]

On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 13:18, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 11:58 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > WRT compiling against the SDK. Only way to know is to test. But having
> > only the binary drivers as options is a good possibility since they're
> > also the only ones that work with a number of recent GameCD candidate
> > games.
> 
> Half on-topic:  Any chance of 51726 being fixed (moving all the
> opengl-foo to /etc) in opengl-update-2.0?

There's been a quasi-proposal around on creating some sort of
/etc/alternatives for config tools in general. I think Ciaran was
proposing it. I was kinda holding off until something was decided there
since stuff put in /etc sticks around without some hackery in pkg_*.

But if there's demand now, I suppose it could be done.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 12:26 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> There's been a quasi-proposal around on creating some sort of
> /etc/alternatives for config tools in general. I think Ciaran was
> proposing it. I was kinda holding off until something was decided there
> since stuff put in /etc sticks around without some hackery in pkg_*.
> 
> But if there's demand now, I suppose it could be done.

Well, for now I am just using the livecd-tools ones.  I just have to
remember to manually uncomment one line in the ebuild before I make a
snapshot... ;]

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Joseph Booker]

On Thu, November 18, 2004 11:08 am, Donnie Berkholz said:
> 1. No fonts. None. Zero. This means X always dies with "Can't find font
> fixed" unless you provide your own. This could potentially be changed if
> I find a way to just build the "misc" fonts.

'essentialfonts' USE flag, on by default

> 2. None of Tad's fancy cursors

'fancycursors', probably on by default

> 3. No clients. This includes xfs, xdm and xkbcomp.

ok, probably somethign that should be in 'minimal'

> 4. Nothing in /usr/share/doc

'doc'

> 5. No Xnest or Xvfb
> 7. For x86 only, remove these video drivers: nsc, glint, tga, s3,
> s3virge, rendition, neomagic, i740, cirrus, tseng, trident, chips, apm,
> ark, cyrix, siliconmotion. I wasn't sure what was safe for other archs
> and didn't want to play around without some more research.
> Of those, the only questionable ones to me are s3, s3virge and
> especially siliconmotion. I could see the latter being popular on
> systems that would otherwise use the "minimal" flag.

How about a VIDEO_DRIVERS enviroment var thats set in make.conf or command
line, that let the ebuild checks for - if its something like 'trident fb
i810', then it builds those, if its not set or empty, then it builds
everything. i think your able to specify alsa drivers in some ebuild that
way

> 8. No man pages

again, the 'doc' USE flag


Wasn't there a GLEP about USE flag grouping? just make '-doc -fancycursors
minimal -fonts' in a USE flag group, when/if that functionality gets into
portage

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Donnie Berkholz]

On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 12:31, Joseph Booker wrote:
> On Thu, November 18, 2004 11:08 am, Donnie Berkholz said:
> > 1. No fonts. None. Zero. This means X always dies with "Can't find font
> > fixed" unless you provide your own. This could potentially be changed if
> > I find a way to just build the "misc" fonts.
> 
> 'essentialfonts' USE flag, on by default

No point in a USE flag for something that doesn't work when it's off.

> > 4. Nothing in /usr/share/doc
> 
> 'doc'

That's already being used for the huge number of docs that aren't
installed by default.

> How about a VIDEO_DRIVERS enviroment var thats set in make.conf or command
> line, that let the ebuild checks for - if its something like 'trident fb
> i810', then it builds those, if its not set or empty, then it builds
> everything. i think your able to specify alsa drivers in some ebuild that
> way

There's a bug around for this. It takes a while to implement though,
because there's a different driver selection for every arch.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Henrik Brix Andersen]

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Hi,

On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 14:31 -0600, Joseph Booker wrote:
> On Thu, November 18, 2004 11:08 am, Donnie Berkholz said:
> > 4. Nothing in /usr/share/doc
> 
> 'doc'

Actually this can be handled using FEATURES="nodoc".

> > 8. No man pages
> 
> again, the 'doc' USE flag

This can be handled using FEATURES="noman".

Sincerely,
Brix
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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Thursday 18 November 2004 18:08, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> OK, here's some more info on minimal, pulled straight from searching
> the ebuild for occurrences of "minimal":

What about a version that is even more minimal, only providing the client 
libs. That part needed to build X clients. It would be interesting for 
headless systems.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:02 +0100, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> On Thursday 18 November 2004 18:08, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > OK, here's some more info on minimal, pulled straight from searching
> > the ebuild for occurrences of "minimal":
> 
> What about a version that is even more minimal, only providing the client 
> libs. That part needed to build X clients. It would be interesting for 
> headless systems.

That doesn't fit my definition of minimal, which is a working, complete
X implementation.

That would be a second ebuild, xorg-x11-libs or something. I'm sort of
working on that stuff in my free time. Seemant started some work, and
FreeBSD has its stuff quasi-modularised.

Since I've been sending out requests for recruits, it should be clear
that I don't have a lot of free time to work on it, however. So don't
expect much progress until more people are working on X.

Thanks,
Donnie

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 09:08 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> OK, here's some more info on minimal, pulled straight from searching the
> ebuild for occurrences of "minimal":

I'm pleased to announce that USE=minimal now actually produces something
usable. In fact, I'm writing this email from a USE=minimal build. The
full installation is 26MB.

Updates for the latest version:

1. Only a minimal cadre of fonts are built. I think a quick command can
show this best:

donnie@supernova ~ $ du -sh /usr/share/fonts/misc/
188K    /usr/share/fonts/misc/
donnie@supernova ~ $ du -sh /usr/share/fonts/encodings/
820K    /usr/share/fonts/encodings/

My bet is that most (if not all) of the encodings can also be removed
for a small additional savings.

This compares with a typical customized installation with
USE="-bitmap-fonts":

donnie@supernova ~ $ du -sh
xorg-unpacked/xorg-x11-6.8.0-r1/usr/share/fonts/
21M     xorg-unpacked/xorg-x11-6.8.0-r1/usr/share/fonts/

With USE=bitmap-fonts (the default), it would be quite a bit larger.

2. A minimal set of clients is built -- enough to run `startx` and add
new fonts with.

3. The video drivers (on x86) have been reduced to an absolute minimum,
as discussed elsewhere on this thread.

4. USE=minimal is independent of other USE flags, so people could
potentially enable a minimal build plus TrueType fonts.

5. Where to find additional savings is unclear. Perhaps rarely used
extensions or libraries could be avoided. Suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,
Donnie

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Michiel de Bruijne]

On Thursday 18 November 2004 00:01, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> There are also a number of miscellaneous fixes, including bugs:
> 38549: Newport acceleration (MIPS machines)
> 70431: Fix Xnest segfaults
> 64929, 59746, 60131: Fix totem, kaffeine, gxine lockups
> 63767: Support Cherry CyMotion Master XPress and IBM Space Saver
> keyboards
> 67845: Fix dual-monitor Radeon setups
> 68414: Build the Lucida 75dpi and 100dpi fonts
> 68726: Add xbox nvidia driver
> fd.o 1501: Prevent libGL segfault when /dev/dri/card* are unreadable
> 64618: Fix unresolved symbol problems when using hardened and the
> dlloader

Hi Donnie,

Is it possible to add the patch from 
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47922 ?
I know this is/should be resolved upstream but by adding the patch to -r4 we 
don't have to wait until a new upstream-version is released. Thanks in 
advance!

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 18:45 +0100, Michiel de Bruijne wrote:
> Is it possible to add the patch from 
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47922 ?
> I know this is/should be resolved upstream but by adding the patch to -r4 we 
> don't have to wait until a new upstream-version is released. Thanks in 
> advance!

As I said on the bug, I need confirmation from some testers that it
works.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Michiel de Bruijne]

On Thursday 18 November 2004 18:47, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 18:45 +0100, Michiel de Bruijne wrote:
> > Is it possible to add the patch from
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47922 ?
> > I know this is/should be resolved upstream but by adding the patch to -r4
> > we don't have to wait until a new upstream-version is released. Thanks in
> > advance!
>
> As I said on the bug, I need confirmation from some testers that it
> works.

OK, I will test after I compiled X and report back to the bug, how many 
responses do you want before you approve this patch? Lars has already tested 
it and confirmed it worked.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 18:58 +0100, Michiel de Bruijne wrote:
> On Thursday 18 November 2004 18:47, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 18:45 +0100, Michiel de Bruijne wrote:
> > > Is it possible to add the patch from
> > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47922 ?
> > > I know this is/should be resolved upstream but by adding the patch to -r4
> > > we don't have to wait until a new upstream-version is released. Thanks in
> > > advance!
> >
> > As I said on the bug, I need confirmation from some testers that it
> > works.
> 
> OK, I will test after I compiled X and report back to the bug, how many 
> responses do you want before you approve this patch? Lars has already tested 
> it and confirmed it worked.

5 would be nice.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Marcus D. Hanwell]

Donnie Berkholz wrote:

>> OK, I will test after I compiled X and report back to the bug, how 
>> many responses do you want before you approve this patch? Lars has 
>> already tested it and confirmed it worked.
>>   
>
>
> 5 would be nice.
>  
>
I will test this too - I have one nvidia dual head set up at home 
affected by this, and a single head nvidia set up at work. Both are 
amd64, and it is really irritating - it would be great to get this one 
fixed.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Michiel de Bruijne]

On Thursday 18 November 2004 18:58, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 18:58 +0100, Michiel de Bruijne wrote:
> > On Thursday 18 November 2004 18:47, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 18:45 +0100, Michiel de Bruijne wrote:
> > > > Is it possible to add the patch from
> > > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47922 ?
> > > > I know this is/should be resolved upstream but by adding the patch to
> > > > -r4 we don't have to wait until a new upstream-version is released.
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > As I said on the bug, I need confirmation from some testers that it
> > > works.
> >
> > OK, I will test after I compiled X and report back to the bug, how many
> > responses do you want before you approve this patch? Lars has already
> > tested it and confirmed it worked.
>
> 5 would be nice.
Hi Donnie,

As you can see on the bug at least 5 people have tested the patch (some people 
on multiple pc's) and said the patch works great. Do you want to add it to 
the -r4 release so every user can enjoy some good old dpms again?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Gábor Farkas]

Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> 6.8.0-r4 is hard-masked. It will take a little work to emerge. If you
> can't figure out how to test it, I'd prefer that you don't test it for
> now.

after adding xorg-x11 to package.unmask, i get:
===
# emerge -pv xorg-x11

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies -

!!! Problem in x11-base/xorg-x11 dependencies.
!!! 'in <string>' requires string as left operand exceptions
===

does that mean i shouldn't test it? ;(

gabor

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Jason Stubbs]

On Tuesday 23 November 2004 15:50, Gábor Farkas wrote:
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > 6.8.0-r4 is hard-masked. It will take a little work to emerge. If you
> > can't figure out how to test it, I'd prefer that you don't test it for
> > now.
>
> after adding xorg-x11 to package.unmask, i get:
> ===
> # emerge -pv xorg-x11
>
> These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies -
>
> !!! Problem in x11-base/xorg-x11 dependencies.
> !!! 'in <string>' requires string as left operand exceptions

PROVIDE="virtual/x11
        opengl? ( virtual/opengl )
        opengl? ( virtual/glu )
        virtual/xft"

There's a bug in the implementation that will be fixed in the next portage 
revision. In the mean time it can be fixed like this:

PROVIDE="virtual/x11
        opengl? virtual/opengl
        opengl? virtual/glu
        virtual/xft"

Regards,
Jason Stubbs

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[gentoo-dev] Re: xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Duncan]

Donnie Berkholz posted
<1100732466.23254.24.camel@helen.science.oregonstate.edu>, excerpted
below,  on Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:01:06 -0800:

> 67845: Fix dual-monitor Radeon setups

s/84/48/ .  The bug is 67485, not 67845.  (I'm running dual monitor Radeon
9200SE w/ the xorg free drivers here so was interested in this one.  I had
to search...)

I haven't had this issue, but I've had MonitorLayout all along, and while
I tried the merged framebuffer option, it didn't get me accelerated 3D
anyway due to the large size (two 2048x1536 screens, total 2048x3072,
y>2048 so no accelerated 3D =8^( ), and I like being able to zoom one
display without affecting the other, so I dropped back to true Xinerama
dual device entry separate framebuffer mode.

I think I'll be merging this -r4 over Thanksgiving if not 2nite, and see
what happens.  Bugs to be filed as necessary.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Duncan]

Duncan posted <pan.2004.11.24.06.01.03.866847@cox.net>, excerpted below, 
on Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:01:04 -0700:

> Donnie Berkholz posted as excerpted:
> 
>> 67845: Fix dual-monitor Radeon setups
> 
> s/84/48/ .  The bug is 67485, not 67845.  (I'm running dual monitor Radeon
> 9200SE w/ the xorg free drivers here so was interested in this one.  I had
> to search...)
> 
> I haven't had this issue, but I've had MonitorLayout all along.
> 
> I think I'll be merging this -r4 over Thanksgiving if not 2nite

Posting on -r4 now, on amd64.  Seems to work fine, including the dual
monitors on Radeon (atho as above I have MonitorLayout as I always have).
Note that I modify the ebuild, turning off compilation of a lot of the
stuff I don't need, however (and even more now with -r4), and commenting
out the strip-flags call, so I wasn't testing a regular merge.

That said, the general ebuild including the moved stuff seems to work fine
on amd64.

I assume you know it can't find some of the sources, the koi8 font for
USE=nls and the extra sources for USE=doc, right?  I remember having to
kill those lines to digest r1 as well, so the problem has been around for
awhile.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 04:41 -0700, Duncan wrote:
> I assume you know it can't find some of the sources, the koi8 font for
> USE=nls and the extra sources for USE=doc, right?  I remember having to
> kill those lines to digest r1 as well, so the problem has been around for
> awhile.

Which ones exactly? You might want to check your mirrors. This is what I
just downloaded from gentoo.oregonstate.edu/distfiles/ :

100%[====================================>] 439,173      105.39K/s
ETA 00:00

08:57:25 (105.11 KB/s) - `gemini-koi8-u.tar.bz2' saved [439173/439173]

100%[====================================>] 3,181,068     65.31K/s
ETA 00:00

09:00:16 (85.51 KB/s) - `X11R6.8.0-src6.tar.gz' saved [3181068/3181068]

100%[====================================>] 5,052,439     86.69K/s
ETA 00:00

08:59:37 (79.92 KB/s) - `X11R6.8.0-src7.tar.gz' saved [5052439/5052439]

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-x11-6.8.0-r4 needs testers

[Aaron Walker]

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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
| In -r4 (previously -r2), we've moved /usr/X11R6/lib to /usr/lib and
| created a symlink. This obviously results in some significant changes.
|
| 6.8.0-r4 is hard-masked. It will take a little work to emerge. If you
| can't figure out how to test it, I'd prefer that you don't test it for
| now.

Just a FYI, been using r4 on my 2 main boxes and my laptop since your request
for testers and have yet to run into a problem.


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