[gentoo-dev] Gentoo and UTF-8

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo and UTF-8

[Heinrich Wendel]

Hi,

Gentoo's UTF-8 support is not very good at the moment. Yesterday I commited a 
few ebuilds with UTF-8 support (ncurses,dialog,grep). To take advantage of 
them you have to put "unicode" in your useflags and set a UTF-8 locale on 
your system. There are quite a few applications that have problems with 
UTF-8. The next items on my todo list are midnightcommander and sed. I'll add 
a UTF-8 herd tomorrow if there are no complains. Fellows are always 
welcome :)

mfg, heinrich

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo and UTF-8

[purslow]

040820 Heinrich Wendel wrote:
> Gentoo's UTF-8 support is not very good at the moment.

more generally, GNU/Linux support for UTF8 is patchy.

recently, i checked out editors & word-processors
in order to be able to create & use documents containing
Ancient Greek with English and Esperanto with English
& found character input & printing very limited.
Gvim handles input ok & OO can print the result; Yudit is ok, if ugly;
one can get OO to input UTF8, but it needs workarounds; otherwise, v poor.

there are a lot of things which don't get noticed till someone tries them
& even then still don't get attended to when deficiencies are reported.

nonetheless, thanx to all the volunteers who do make things work usually.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo and UTF-8

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Friday 20 August 2004 18:50, purslow@sympatico.ca wrote:
> 040820 Heinrich Wendel wrote:
> > Gentoo's UTF-8 support is not very good at the moment.
>
> more generally, GNU/Linux support for UTF8 is patchy.
>
> recently, i checked out editors & word-processors
> in order to be able to create & use documents containing
> Ancient Greek with English and Esperanto with English
> & found character input & printing very limited.
> Gvim handles input ok & OO can print the result; Yudit is ok, if ugly;
> one can get OO to input UTF8, but it needs workarounds; otherwise, v
> poor.
>
> there are a lot of things which don't get noticed till someone tries
> them & even then still don't get attended to when deficiencies are

What I think is also very much needed for this is documentation. I 
currently run simply without setting any locale. This works for me, but 
if I were to test UTF8 stuff, I would need to know how.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo and UTF-8

[gabor]

On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 13:42 +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> On Friday 20 August 2004 18:50, purslow@sympatico.ca wrote:
> > 040820 Heinrich Wendel wrote:
> > > Gentoo's UTF-8 support is not very good at the moment.
> >
> > more generally, GNU/Linux support for UTF8 is patchy.
> >
> > recently, i checked out editors & word-processors
> > in order to be able to create & use documents containing
> > Ancient Greek with English and Esperanto with English
> > & found character input & printing very limited.
> > Gvim handles input ok & OO can print the result; Yudit is ok, if ugly;
> > one can get OO to input UTF8, but it needs workarounds; otherwise, v
> > poor.
> >
> > there are a lot of things which don't get noticed till someone tries
> > them & even then still don't get attended to when deficiencies are
> 
> What I think is also very much needed for this is documentation. I 
> currently run simply without setting any locale. This works for me, but 
> if I were to test UTF8 stuff, I would need to know how.

export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8   ?

gabor


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo and UTF-8

[Sven Vermeulen]

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On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 01:42:43PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> What I think is also very much needed for this is documentation. I 
> currently run simply without setting any locale. This works for me, but 
> if I were to test UTF8 stuff, I would need to know how.

/me too. Perhaps Xavier or anyone else on the GDP knows more about UTF8?

Wkr,
      Sven Vermeulen

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo and UTF-8

[Heinrich Wendel]

On Monday 23 August 2004 18:08, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 01:42:43PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > What I think is also very much needed for this is documentation. I
> > currently run simply without setting any locale. This works for me, but
> > if I were to test UTF8 stuff, I would need to know how.
>
> /me too. Perhaps Xavier or anyone else on the GDP knows more about UTF8?

There is an UTF-8 howto in the forums: 
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=166984

I have contact with the author and I'm trying to get him on board.

>
> Wkr,
>       Sven Vermeulen
mfg, heinrich :)

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[gentoo-dev] Gentoo and UTF-8

[Xavier Neys]

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Heinrich Wendel wrote:
> On Monday 23 August 2004 18:08, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 01:42:43PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
>>
>>>What I think is also very much needed for this is documentation. I
>>>currently run simply without setting any locale. This works for me, but
>>>if I were to test UTF8 stuff, I would need to know how.
>>
>>/me too. Perhaps Xavier or anyone else on the GDP knows more about UTF8?

Not really, it just works for me. Gnome/gvim/gedit/less/xterm support utf8.
I even have utf8 chars in filenames, no problem.
OOo.org was mentioned, but it can open utf8 text files OK and utf8 filenames 
are properly displayed in the open file dialog.

> There is an UTF-8 howto in the forums: 
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=166984
> 
> I have contact with the author and I'm trying to get him on board.

There is also a quite substantial
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unicode-HOWTO.html
but it does not address typing utf8 chars in a console and I have never looked 
deeply into that either.
FYI, unicode_start will make your console display utf8 but when I do that, I 
can't type accented chars anymore, e.g. meta , c does not give me ccedilla as 
it did before doing a unicode_start.


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