[gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Carsten Lohrke]

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MySQL Control Center is not under development anymore. 
http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/other/mysqlcc.html

If no one is expressing his objections within a week, I'll remove it from the 
tree.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Andrew Ross]

On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 07:04, Carsten Lohrke wrote:

> MySQL Control Center is not under development anymore. 
> http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/other/mysqlcc.html
> 
> If no one is expressing his objections within a week, I'll remove it from the 
> tree.

If you're going to remove MySQL Control Center, I don't suppose you
could provide an ebuild for its replacement - MySQL Administrator
(http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/administrator/)?

I can't actually say I've used MySQLAdmin, but I've found MySQL CC to be
quite useful, so I'd rather not have to keep a local copy of the ebuild.

Cheers

Andrew


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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Dewet Diener]

On Thursday 12 August 2004 10:47, Andrew Ross wrote:
> I can't actually say I've used MySQLAdmin, but I've found MySQL CC to be
> quite useful, so I'd rather not have to keep a local copy of the ebuild.

I have to "me too" this request as well; since there aren't any current 
problems with mysqlcc, I'd at least want it hanging around until a 
replacement (MySQL's Administrator & Query Browser) has been added.

Dewet

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Tom Payne]

On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 06:47:15PM +1000, Andrew Ross wrote:
> If you're going to remove MySQL Control Center, I don't suppose you
> could provide an ebuild for its replacement - MySQL Administrator
> (http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/administrator/)?

Have you tried phpMyAdmin?

emerge phpmyadmin

It's a rather excellent webapp for managing MySQL. Needs apache+php.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Andrew Ross]

On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 19:08, Tom Payne wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 06:47:15PM +1000, Andrew Ross wrote:
> > If you're going to remove MySQL Control Center, I don't suppose you
> > could provide an ebuild for its replacement - MySQL Administrator
> > (http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/administrator/)?
> 
> Have you tried phpMyAdmin?
> 
> emerge phpmyadmin
> 
> It's a rather excellent webapp for managing MySQL. Needs apache+php.

Thanks Tom, but I'm specifically trying to avoid web-based apps and
their (obvious) dependency on a webserver. I need a stand-alone app I
can use from my laptop to manage a number of unrelated databases at
various locations.

Also, I really like^H^H^H^Hneed the multi-window approach of MySQL CC,
which is difficult to easily replicate using a web-based system.

I was going to try dev-db/mysqlnavigator, but I'm not encouraged by the 
broken homepage, missing metadata.xml, and latest release date (March
10, 2003). At least the sf page still works!

Cheers

Andrew


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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Jeff Smelser]

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On Thursday 12 August 2004 04:08 am, Tom Payne wrote:
> Have you tried phpMyAdmin?
>
> emerge phpmyadmin
>
> It's a rather excellent webapp for managing MySQL. Needs apache+php.

Why would you require someone to install apache just it admin mysql?



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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Tom Payne]

On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 10:31:12AM -0500, Jeff Smelser wrote:
> On Thursday 12 August 2004 04:08 am, Tom Payne wrote:
> > Have you tried phpMyAdmin?
> >
> > emerge phpmyadmin
> >
> > It's a rather excellent webapp for managing MySQL. Needs apache+php.
> 
> Why would you require someone to install apache just it admin mysql?

/me ignores the troll
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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Jeff Smelser]

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On Thursday 12 August 2004 11:00 am, Tom Payne wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 10:31:12AM -0500, Jeff Smelser wrote:
> > On Thursday 12 August 2004 04:08 am, Tom Payne wrote:
> > > Have you tried phpMyAdmin?
> > >
> > > emerge phpmyadmin
> > >
> > > It's a rather excellent webapp for managing MySQL. Needs apache+php.
> >
> > Why would you require someone to install apache just it admin mysql?
>
> /me ignores the troll

Whats troll about it. Its a serious question.

Jeff

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Mike Frysinger]

On Thursday 12 August 2004 12:05 pm, Jeff Smelser wrote:
> On Thursday 12 August 2004 11:00 am, Tom Payne wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 10:31:12AM -0500, Jeff Smelser wrote:
> > > Why would you require someone to install apache just it admin mysql?
> >
> > /me ignores the troll
>
> Whats troll about it. Its a serious question.

agreed
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Daniel Goller]

agreed, he is not at all trolling, pulling in apache to admin mysql is 
like merging (most of) kde to be able to burn a cd

Jeff Smelser wrote:

>On Thursday 12 August 2004 11:00 am, Tom Payne wrote:
>  
>
>>On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 10:31:12AM -0500, Jeff Smelser wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>On Thursday 12 August 2004 04:08 am, Tom Payne wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Have you tried phpMyAdmin?
>>>>
>>>>emerge phpmyadmin
>>>>
>>>>It's a rather excellent webapp for managing MySQL. Needs apache+php.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Why would you require someone to install apache just it admin mysql?
>>>      
>>>
>>/me ignores the troll
>>    
>>
>
>Whats troll about it. Its a serious question.
>
>Jeff
>
>  
>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Mike Frysinger]

On Thursday 12 August 2004 11:24 pm, Daniel Goller wrote:
> agreed, he is not at all trolling, pulling in apache to admin mysql is
> like merging (most of) kde to be able to burn a cd

you mean like k3b ?
wish someone would write that to use gtk :)
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Brian Harring]

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On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 22:24, Daniel Goller wrote:
> agreed, he is not at all trolling, pulling in apache to admin mysql is 
> like merging (most of) kde to be able to burn a cd
If he's just after admin'ing, I would wonder why he hasn't tried
mysql-administrator ...
If he's after running queries, well, cli mysql works rather well, course
it can be a pita.
~brian

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Tom Payne]

On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 10:31:12AM -0500, Jeff Smelser wrote:
> On Thursday 12 August 2004 04:08 am, Tom Payne wrote:
> > Have you tried phpMyAdmin?
> >
> > emerge phpmyadmin
> >
> > It's a rather excellent webapp for managing MySQL. Needs apache+php.
> 
> Why would you require someone to install apache just it admin mysql?

I wouldn't ever *require* anyone to install apache to admin mysql. It was a
*suggestion*.

Reasons for suggesting phpMyAdmin are:

- It's a very slick tool.
- MySQL is often used as a database with Apache & PHP. Therefore is possible
  that Apache+PHP might already be installed.
- I have Apache installed on my desktop PCs normally anyhow: it's a very
  easy way to transfer files between boxes.
- It's a webapp, so the client (browser), server (apache+php) and database
  server (mysqld) can be three different computers. You might be able to use
  apache+php already installed some else.

So perhaps my response should have been:

"If you have Apache+PHP installed (or don't mind installing it) then check
out phpMyAdmin. It's a great tool for administering MySQL databases."

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Jeff Smelser]

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On Friday 13 August 2004 03:16 am, Tom Payne wrote:

> I wouldn't ever *require* anyone to install apache to admin mysql. It was a
> *suggestion*.

My appologies. We were on the wrong track then thats all.

> Reasons for suggesting phpMyAdmin are:
>
> - It's a very slick tool.
> - MySQL is often used as a database with Apache & PHP. Therefore is
> possible that Apache+PHP might already be installed
> - I have Apache installed on my desktop PCs normally anyhow: it's a very
>   easy way to transfer files between boxes.
> - It's a webapp, so the client (browser), server (apache+php) and database
>   server (mysqld) can be three different computers. You might be able to
> use apache+php already installed some else.
>

The above sounds great.. I have apache installed but not on any of my db 
servers here.. One I don´t allow connections to other then localhost.. So I 
have to have mysqlcc or the like..

Hopfully they will get mysql admin or whatever its called in an ebuild..

Let me know, I will write the ebuild and submit it..

Jeff
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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Andrew Ross]

On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 18:47, Andrew Ross wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 07:04, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> 
> > MySQL Control Center is not under development anymore. 
> > http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/other/mysqlcc.html
> > 
> > If no one is expressing his objections within a week, I'll remove it from the 
> > tree.
> 
> If you're going to remove MySQL Control Center, I don't suppose you
> could provide an ebuild for its replacement - MySQL Administrator
> (http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/administrator/)?

On second thoughts, I retract that request, based on the following:

"Q: Is the current version of MySQL Administrator stable?

A: No, this is the first Alpha release of MySQL Administrator, a
completely new product from MySQL AB. Since it has only been tested on a
limited number of machines, it is very likely that there are
undiscovered bugs.

So it is not recommended to use MySQL Administrator in a production
environment at the moment."
	http://www.mysql.com/products/administrator/faq.html

Who knew that alpha products could have version numbers greater than 1!

The MySQL Query Browser (http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/query-browser/)
is also alpha, so it looks like I'll be sticking with MySQL CC for now
(unless I find something equal/better), even if Gentoo do drop it from
portage.

Cheers

Andrew


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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Carsten Lohrke]

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On Thursday 12 August 2004 10:47, Andrew Ross wrote:
> If you're going to remove MySQL Control Center, I don't suppose you
> could provide an ebuild for its replacement - MySQL Administrator
> (http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/administrator/)?

enhancement requests -> bugs.g.o 

> I can't actually say I've used MySQLAdmin, but I've found MySQL CC to be
> quite useful, so I'd rather not have to keep a local copy of the ebuild.

That's a reason not to drop it. On the other hand, development stopped 
upstream, so it will be removed at some time. I suppose you're using 0.9.4, 
since there are bug reports regarding 0.9.3?


Carsten
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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-db/mysqlcc removal

[Andrew Ross]

On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 23:17, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> > I can't actually say I've used MySQLAdmin, but I've found MySQL CC to be
> > quite useful, so I'd rather not have to keep a local copy of the ebuild.
> 
> That's a reason not to drop it. On the other hand, development stopped 
> upstream, so it will be removed at some time. I suppose you're using 0.9.4, 
> since there are bug reports regarding 0.9.3?

Yes, I use 0.9.4. According to b.g.o, there are only 4 open bugs against
mysqlcc (http://tinyurl.com/5lojj):

#41794 (dev-db/mysqlcc-0.9.3 missing files and segfaults) appears to be
fixed in 0.9.4, according to the comments (I never encountered the bug
myself, even under 0.9.3).

#57726 (mysqlcc failed to build) hasn't affected me.

#29689 (mysqlcc returns error during table creation about missing
syntax.txt at $HOME/syntax.txt) has an easy workaround, which only has
to be performed once.

#57308 (mysqlcc crashes strangely) hasn't affected me, since our tables
remain static. That said, this is a rather serious bug, and I can see
why you would like to remove mysqlcc from portage.

It is indeed unfortunate that the MySQL team (upstream) have dropped
support for their older products, while simultaneously claiming their
replacements (MySQL Administrator and MySQL Query Browser) are not ready
for production use.

Cheers

Andrew


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