From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-dev-return-14508-arch-gentoo-dev=gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: (qmail 12932 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 18:48:03 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by lists.gentoo.org with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 18:48:03 +0000 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BpWzX-0001zV-7q for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:47:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 28916 invoked by uid 89); 27 Jul 2004 18:47:58 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev-unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev-subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 10650 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 18:47:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:45:15 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-Id: <20040727194515.5d3799f1@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <200407271418.56253.absinthe@gentoo.org> References: <200407271254.50020.absinthe@gentoo.org> <200407271327.29517.absinthe@gentoo.org> <20040727190714.5e2a463d@snowdrop.home> <200407271418.56253.absinthe@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="Signature=_Tue__27_Jul_2004_19_45_15_+0100_.g9Fs7kyBf4eICOv" Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Bug voting X-Archives-Salt: 48b9f73f-a999-44c8-882a-47fbd2937d22 X-Archives-Hash: 122d4fc600d10de68d83454049887439 --Signature=_Tue__27_Jul_2004_19_45_15_+0100_.g9Fs7kyBf4eICOv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:18:55 -0400 Dylan Carlson <absinthe@gentoo.org> wrote: | On Tuesday 27 July 2004 2:07 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > Except that the voting will not be indicative of what our user base | > actually wants. Instead, it will indicate the whim of a vocal | > minority of Off The Wall posters and zealots from that IRC channel | > I'm not allowed to talk about. Most of our users don't condone | > join-flooding other distributions' channels on IRC. Most of our | > users give at least a vague hoot about having a stable kernel and | > filesystem. Most of our users would rather that their ebuilds | > compiled, even if it meant missing out on the occasional x.x.x.1 | > release from upstream. However, most of those users won't be voting. | | Those are assumptions, nothing more. Those are assumptions based upon a very large amount of evidence obtained from the forums, the -user mailing list and IRC. Like it or not, we *do* have a small number of users who *do* going around trolling, spamming and generally making a nuisance of themselves. You really think that the aa-G aa-E thing is indicative of our user base? | > We already have a good indication of how many people care about a | > bug -- the length of the Cc: list usually works pretty well. | | Really? So you think that if we started measuring the CC lists that | it wouldn't somehow be tainted by the "vocal minority" that would | otherwise be voting? Your logic is totally flawed. No, I'm saying it's an indicator which already exists if someone wants to find out how popular their bug might be, nothing more. However, Cc: list spamming is pretty pointless, whereas vote spamming could be construed to mean something. | I frankly don't understand why you're so outspoken on this issue. You | can ignore votes if that's what you choose to do. This is not a | policy change proposal, this is an enhancement request for Bugzilla. 1) Because it will lead to "this bug has over a hundred votes, why is it being ignored?" posts. 2) Because it is yet another field in bugzilla. We already have far too many clicky boxes for most people. 3) Because it will lead to vote spamming. Search the Off The Wall forum for "portage ignorance" for a good example of why this won't work. | Also please read: http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/faq/16.19.shtml Posting irrelevant links does not make an argument. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Sparc, MIPS, Vim, Fluxbox) Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm --Signature=_Tue__27_Jul_2004_19_45_15_+0100_.g9Fs7kyBf4eICOv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBBqLF96zL6DUtXhERAo/bAJ9k6idyxi9JYOLIaEGpX23CN0hM7QCgt8kB LJIHnO/ROD+Fj69jt2SiXJY= =rQP6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Tue__27_Jul_2004_19_45_15_+0100_.g9Fs7kyBf4eICOv--