From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1511 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 22:34:36 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by lists.gentoo.org with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 22:34:36 +0000 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BpaWp-0001Zl-GR for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:34:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 27814 invoked by uid 89); 27 Jul 2004 22:34:31 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 14585 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 22:34:31 +0000 From: Dylan Carlson Reply-To: absinthe@gentoo.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:24:48 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.82 References: <200407271254.50020.absinthe@gentoo.org> <200407271637.04014.absinthe@gentoo.org> <20040727223904.524c952f@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <20040727223904.524c952f@snowdrop.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200407271824.48472.absinthe@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Bug voting X-Archives-Salt: f65c4ef7-23bd-4e92-99f1-312de7cc13dd X-Archives-Hash: 2aa5e45a690c71b2dda6722c1b96ada6 On Tuesday 27 July 2004 5:39 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > I'd hardly call 30,000 emails and however many forums posts there are > "nothing". Wasn't it you who called them the "vocal minority"? In any event, they are our users... and ultimately the more, simple tools we can give users to let us know what they think is important, the better we are able to prioritize what gets worked on -- particularly enhancements to our tools. > No, subtle as in "this bug will cause people various really strange > problems, but they won't realise what's causing it". Don't forget, the > package maintainers quite often know a lot more about the package and > the way it interacts with the system than the bug submitters and voters. Right, a completely isolated case. As a package maintainer should know more than most users. But ultimately, most bugs (that haven't been closed out as INVALID/etc) are either problems with the way something works now, or an enhancement request. You think that votes get cast for stupid things? Do you really think our users are stupid? Go on, look at KDE's bug system w/votes, or Mozilla's for that matter. I'll save you the trouble: KDE defects with votes: http://tinyurl.com/c5ja KDE enhancements with votes: http://tinyurl.com/c5j3 Mozilla bugs with votes: http://tinyurl.com/59dxl Do those bugs that have votes look like a waste of time to you? The users for KDE, Mozilla, etc use the voting system responsibly and I believe ours will too. > Well, either the voting affects developers, in which case it's a serious > problem because it'll detract from the bugs which are *actually* > important, or it won't affect developers, in which case your claims > above are effectively meaningless. It won't influence any developers (like you) who choose to ignore the votes. For others, it will be a tool like any other (severity, priority, etc) to help determine what needs attention. It's not a mandate. For developers such as yourself, what are you worried about? Ignore the votes and keep working on your buglist like you normally would. I fail to see the problem here. Cheers, Dylan Carlson [absinthe@gentoo.org] Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x708E165F -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list