From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14374 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 20:23:15 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by lists.gentoo.org with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 20:23:15 +0000 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BmefK-00004V-5F for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:23:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 19595 invoked by uid 89); 19 Jul 2004 20:23:13 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 6483 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 20:23:13 +0000 From: Corey Shields Organization: Gentoo Linux - Infrastructure team To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:22:58 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <40FB9259.4020503@gentoo.org> <40FBE87E.2090505@gentoo.org> <20040719192024.12ae4a5e@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <20040719192024.12ae4a5e@snowdrop.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407191522.58101.cshields@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] The Gentoo Developer Handbook - Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? X-Archives-Salt: bc1bb512-4cf6-4283-b6d6-1a8459ff62a2 X-Archives-Hash: 568eed9a497b1891453e72d5f566758b On Monday 19 July 2004 01:20 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > I'm sure devrel aren't actively out to set themselves up as the new > spanish inquisition. However, it seems I'm not the only one that's > noticed them moving from a "helping developers" role to "policing > developers" instead, and I'd like to know what devrel's stance on this > is. Come to think of it, I remember a certain former manager bringing > this exact point up shortly before he left. Nobody on the devrel team is getting their jollies from "policing developers", and if there wasn't a need for it then you wouldn't see it. The problem is that some people have acted or said some pretty offensive things while acting on behalf of Gentoo in the eyes of the victim. That can't be put up with, and personally I'm not open to be persuaded otherwise. Whether developers realize it or not, there are corporations and large organizations watching, and some of them migrating to Gentoo. As a distribution, we can't tolerate developers being jerks to other people, especially our users. I know this first hand, because my place of employment was about to pack up and walk away from Gentoo altogether after one such altercation between one of our employees and a dev. I don't think it is asking too much of people to treat each other appropriately. If that is the case, then you won't see devrel's involvement and there is no problem. Cheers, -Corey -- Corey Shields - Gentoo Linux Infrastructure Team http://www.gentoo.org/~cshields -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list