From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8802 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 18:18:04 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by lists.gentoo.org with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 18:18:04 +0000 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bjito-0005zt-GM for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:18:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 981 invoked by uid 89); 11 Jul 2004 18:18:03 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 12566 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2004 18:18:03 +0000 From: Dylan Carlson Reply-To: absinthe@gentoo.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:16:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200407091106.23915.tradergt@smelser.org> <200407101219.35173.tradergt@smelser.org> <1089483512.6399.39.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1089483512.6399.39.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200407111416.55119.absinthe@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE 3.2.3 X-Archives-Salt: ed0f3f1b-0501-46fa-a383-0951d372aea8 X-Archives-Hash: bbd73883777877e4c93a3c3f8b7255f0 On Saturday 10 July 2004 2:18 pm, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Besides... why in the world would you want to use KDE anyway?  Gnome is > *way* better... Wow, your desktop environment just got SERVED. Let the flamewar begin! (not really, but I'd just like to weigh in on why I use KDE...) FWIW, I use KDE because it has everything I need, want, and didn't know I wanted (and then some) ... I resisted using the desktop for quite a while fearful that I would get too "married" to a particular branch of technology. But as years went on I found myself using more and more KDE apps, simply because they were "better" (to use your term, heh). At some juncture it was just the next logical step to use the desktop. Ever since I switched to the KDE desktop exclusively (since early 2003) it has made me a lot more productive. And that's the bottom line. For the things I do, KDE does them the best. "UserLinux" might be Gnome by fiat, but users will use whatever works best for them, not Bruce Perens. And KDE has more users now... and I see a lot of merit in that, in the face of all the commercial promotion of Gnome by RedHat, Sun, Perens and others. Most things can be done with some equivalency in Gnome. But let's face facts -- Gnome would not exist without KDE. Gnome was started as a project ~1996, was built upon a toolkit that was written for an image editor (gimp), for the sole purpose of making a "truly free" desktop, with the implication KDE wasn't. KDE, which was built upon Qt, which was not "truly free" in, whatever, 1996. Of course that issue is moot now. Qt is GPL just like all of KDE. What remains is a matter of preference, most everything else claiming superiority of one over the other is hyperbole. As a developer, I will say this: If this were some case of disliking C++ I would understand, but only to a small extent. If it works as well or better than competing technology, it doesn't matter (much) what the language is; and Qt clearly works well. As a user, I use what works. As a developer or director of engineering, I would choose Qt/KDE over Gtk/Gnome. The job can't get done in Gtk as quickly as Qt. Also, Qt does things that Gtk doesn't. (Gtk you would have to tack on a few more libs in addition to the base Gtk library to be mostly equivalent with what Qt does by itself). Also compare the documentation and then tell me which you would rather work with: http://doc.trolltech.com/ http://www.gtk.org/api/ For the sake of the inevitable ("Trolltech controls Qt") counter-argument: If Trolltech ever pulled the GPL license off a future version of Qt-X11, the most recent GPL version can simply be forked. There's no indication that will ever happen simply because it doesn't make any business sense for Trolltech. Besides widening the user base for Qt, it gives them a cheap, global QA department and quality feedback from the KDE camp. Cheers, Dylan Carlson [absinthe@gentoo.org] Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x708E165F -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list