From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-dev-return-13935-arch-gentoo-dev=gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: (qmail 29140 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 22:34:59 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by lists.gentoo.org with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 22:34:59 +0000 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bj3xK-0000R5-GF for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:34:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 22725 invoked by uid 89); 9 Jul 2004 22:34:58 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev-unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev-subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 7064 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 22:34:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:32:38 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-Id: <20040709233238.6f090627@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <20040709212736.GA5669@kroah.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0407091512440.5899@stargazer.weeve.org> <20040709212736.GA5669@kroah.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="Signature=_Fri__9_Jul_2004_23_32_39_+0100_7R5xq6Kq.Vd+qaxD" Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] kernel team: please make up your mind X-Archives-Salt: efa16bb6-0dc8-4a2b-aa74-87e68cd2bb55 X-Archives-Hash: 20311ffd0447d54e9bb523f669c06b7b --Signature=_Fri__9_Jul_2004_23_32_39_+0100_7R5xq6Kq.Vd+qaxD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:27:36 -0700 Greg KH <gregkh@gentoo.org> wrote: | - development-sources are clean kernel.org kernels Since when? This is not what we were told when John helped us to move our sparc patchset from sparc-dev-sources to his shiny new kernel-2 powered development-sources. We were given lengthy assurances that we would a) be able to keep our sparc patchset there without having to worry about it b) conflicting with the horridly broken gentoo- patchset and c) it being repeatedly broken by people doing "security bumps". We already know that c) hasn't been happening, and our requests for certain people to show more care when dealing with other archs have fallen upon deaf ears. Now we're being told that a) and b) are no longer any good either? | - gentoo-dev-sources are the current 2.6 kernel trees for all | arches. There is no cesspool of patches in there, and it is | the kernel for the ppc64, amd64, x86, and a few other arches. | Making it the sparc kernel too is no big deal. Of course it's a big deal. We've already made our users change kernel sets once. Now we're going to have to go through all this again because the kernel team don't talk to each other? And you also expect us to deal with people who assume that anything labeled gentoo-dev-sources will include the gentoo- patchset? | I am willing and able to help the sparc team (and any other arch) to | make the g-d-s package work for them. This is exactly what John told us when we switched from s-d-s to d-s. What assurances do we have that we are not going to be screwed over yet again the next time your team randomly decides to change policy without informing anyone? We had these promises already about five kernel minor versions ago. To be honest, given the history on this, I think the ideal solution for this would be an arch-dev-sources which was locked in cvs so that over-zealous x86-kernel and security people *couldn't* go and break our kernels *yet again*. I really don't like the implications that we don't trust other developers on this, but having our kernel being broken three times in two minor version versions is completely unacceptable. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Sparc, MIPS, Vim, Fluxbox) Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm --Signature=_Fri__9_Jul_2004_23_32_39_+0100_7R5xq6Kq.Vd+qaxD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA7x0K96zL6DUtXhERAkXDAJ9AjCtraqn8uExXExXmzePQR6ZG4ACfVHSA 1kayqWn8xQMn6vcBmaxjug8= =+mZ/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Fri__9_Jul_2004_23_32_39_+0100_7R5xq6Kq.Vd+qaxD--