[gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Stuart Herbert]

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Hiya,

If you are on the To: list, that means that one or more package that you 
maintain is affected by this proposal.  

Please send all replies to the list only!

We're looking to *completely* remove the burgeoning 'net-www' category and 
replace it with a set of new categories:

	www-apache - for apache & it's plugins
	www-apps   - for web-based applications (general dumping ground)
	             (expect to break this up at some point in the future)
	www-client - for web browsers, plugins, and other 'clients'
	www-misc   - dumping ground for stuff that doesn't run under a webserver
	www-proxy  - for proxy servers
	www-server - for all web servers that aren't apache

Some of the packages currently under 'net-www' will be moved into one of the 
'dev-*' categories.

You can find the list here:

	http://dev.gentoo.org/~stuart/www-split.txt

Please take a look, and let me have your feedback.

Best regards,
Stu
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[gentoo-dev] Re: net-www breakup - review required

[Ned Ludd]

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I'm fine with you moving middleman to www-proxy.. I'd like to note that
jasonmc (author) is no longer developing this software as an OSS project
(think it's been changed to squidguard). While it's stil vuln free I'd
like to leave it in portage. But when somebody find a vuln and we have
no clear option for upgrading I'll probably remove it from the tree.
I do have admin access to the sourceforge site if any changes are
needed..

On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 01:32, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> Hiya,
> 
> If you are on the To: list, that means that one or more package that you 
> maintain is affected by this proposal.  
> 
> Please send all replies to the list only!
> 
> We're looking to *completely* remove the burgeoning 'net-www' category and 
> replace it with a set of new categories:
> 
> 	www-apache - for apache & it's plugins
> 	www-apps   - for web-based applications (general dumping ground)
> 	             (expect to break this up at some point in the future)
> 	www-client - for web browsers, plugins, and other 'clients'
> 	www-misc   - dumping ground for stuff that doesn't run under a webserver
> 	www-proxy  - for proxy servers
> 	www-server - for all web servers that aren't apache
> 
> Some of the packages currently under 'net-www' will be moved into one of the 
> 'dev-*' categories.
> 
> You can find the list here:
> 
> 	http://dev.gentoo.org/~stuart/www-split.txt
> 
> Please take a look, and let me have your feedback.
> 
> Best regards,
> Stu
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-www breakup - review required

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Wednesday 23 June 2004 07:18, Ned Ludd wrote:
> I'm fine with you moving middleman to www-proxy.. I'd like to note that
> jasonmc (author) is no longer developing this software as an OSS project
> (think it's been changed to squidguard). While it's stil vuln free I'd
> like to leave it in portage. But when somebody find a vuln and we have
> no clear option for upgrading I'll probably remove it from the tree.
> I do have admin access to the sourceforge site if any changes are
> needed..

Sure.  Sounds good to me.

Thanks,
Stu
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Andrew Bevitt]

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 03:32 pm, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> 	www-misc   - dumping ground for stuff that doesn't run under a webserver
> 	www-proxy  - for proxy servers
>
> Please take a look, and let me have your feedback.

www-misc        net-www/squidalyser             Y       cyfred
www-proxy       net-www/adzapper                Y       cyfred
www-proxy       net-www/squid                   N       cyfred
www-proxy       net-www/squidguard              Y       cyfred
www-proxy       net-www/squirm                  Y       cyfred

The only thing that seems odd is adzapper I dont think the www-proxy 
description fully caters for it. However www-proxy most likely is the best 
place for it to go (only other alternative IMO is www-misc which is no better 
suited anyway).

Other than that thumbs up here...

cyfred

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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Wednesday 23 June 2004 08:01, Andrew Bevitt wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 03:32 pm, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> > 	www-misc   - dumping ground for stuff that doesn't run under a webserver
> > 	www-proxy  - for proxy servers
> >
> > Please take a look, and let me have your feedback.
>
> www-misc        net-www/squidalyser             Y       cyfred
> www-proxy       net-www/adzapper                Y       cyfred
> www-proxy       net-www/squid                   N       cyfred
> www-proxy       net-www/squidguard              Y       cyfred
> www-proxy       net-www/squirm                  Y       cyfred
>
> The only thing that seems odd is adzapper I dont think the www-proxy
> description fully caters for it. However www-proxy most likely is the best
> place for it to go (only other alternative IMO is www-misc which is no
> better suited anyway).
>
> Other than that thumbs up here...
>
> cyfred

Okay, thanks.  I think www-proxy's a better choice than www-misc for the 
moment. 

Best regards,
Stu
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Josh Glover]

Quoth Stuart Herbert:

> We're looking to *completely* remove the burgeoning 'net-www' category and
> replace it with a set of new categories:

[...]

> You can find the list here:
>
> 	http://dev.gentoo.org/~stuart/www-split.txt
>
> Please take a look, and let me have your feedback.

www-apps	net-www/bookmarksync		Y	webapps

I maintain this ebuild now, and would thus suggest the following:

www-misc	net-www/bookmarksync		N	jmglov

bookmarksync is a command-line utility, hence the category change. I added a
metadata.xml when I picked the package up yesterday. :)

www-apps	net-www/lxr			N	webapps

I am fine with this, but please assign it to me:

www-apps	net-www/lxr			N	jmglov

Other than that, I am happy with your list.

Cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Wednesday 23 June 2004 14:20, Josh Glover wrote:
> I maintain this ebuild now, and would thus suggest the following:
>
> www-misc	net-www/bookmarksync		N	jmglov
>
> bookmarksync is a command-line utility, hence the category change. I added
> a metadata.xml when I picked the package up yesterday. :)

Oops.  I thought this ran under a webserver.  Fixed in the list.

> www-apps	net-www/lxr			N	webapps
>
> I am fine with this, but please assign it to me:
>
> www-apps	net-www/lxr			N	jmglov

Doh.  Fixed in the list.

> Other than that, I am happy with your list.

Thanks for the feedback!
Stu
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Joseph Booker]

> 	http://dev.gentoo.org/~stuart/www-split.txt

If mod_mono is being moved to dev-dotnet/, shouldn't mod_gzip be moved to
app-arch/, and mod_mp3 be moved to media-libs/. ?

Also, netscape-flash, according to portage, is a media player, not a web
client. (and shouldn't plugins goto x11-plugins anyways? that should be
broken up also)

One last thing, vim is not in app-vim/, and emacs isn't in app-emacs/
(there both in app-editor/) and there is probably other exampes, but I
think it might be more following policy to have www-apache/apache in
www-webservers/apache, and leave www-apache/ for the misc. stuff.

Other then those things. looks good, much better then we got now


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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Seemant Kulleen]

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On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 06:20, Joseph Booker wrote:
> One last thing, vim is not in app-vim/, and emacs isn't in app-emacs/
> (there both in app-editor/) and there is probably other exampes, but I
> think it might be more following policy to have www-apache/apache in
> www-webservers/apache, and leave www-apache/ for the misc. stuff.

That is a better alternative, as Joe said (may I call you Joe?).  If you
notice, python and perl are in dev-lang, their modules in
dev-p{erl,ython}; aspell and ispell are in app-text, the dictionaries in
app-spell or wherever.  So  this would make sense to me as well.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Wednesday 23 June 2004 17:49, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 06:20, Joseph Booker wrote:
> > One last thing, vim is not in app-vim/, and emacs isn't in app-emacs/
> > (there both in app-editor/) and there is probably other exampes, but I
> > think it might be more following policy to have www-apache/apache in
> > www-webservers/apache, and leave www-apache/ for the misc. stuff.
>
> That is a better alternative, as Joe said (may I call you Joe?).  If you
> notice, python and perl are in dev-lang, their modules in
> dev-p{erl,ython}; aspell and ispell are in app-text, the dictionaries in
> app-spell or wherever.  So  this would make sense to me as well.

And .NET stuff is in dev-dotnet, php in dev-php, to provide counter-examples.

Chuck wants to leave apache in www-apache, and that's fine by me.

Appreciate the feedback,
Stu
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Wednesday 23 June 2004 14:20, Joseph Booker wrote:
> > 	http://dev.gentoo.org/~stuart/www-split.txt
>
> If mod_mono is being moved to dev-dotnet/, shouldn't mod_gzip be moved to
> app-arch/, and mod_mp3 be moved to media-libs/. ?

It's an interesting idea, and one I hadn't considered.  

Tbh, I'd rather keep all the miscellaneous apache stuff together.

I'm looking to move mod_mono to dev-dotnet because it is maintained by the 
mono people, just like mod_php is looked after by the php people, and 
mod_python is looked after by the python people.

> Also, netscape-flash, according to portage, is a media player, not a web
> client. (and shouldn't plugins goto x11-plugins anyways? that should be
> broken up also)

I like that idea better than creating a www-plugins category ... except that 
x11-plugins is just another dumping ground right now.  Hrm.  I'll sleep on 
it, and see if anyone else chips in in the mean time.

Oh for nested category support ;-)

Best regards,
Stu
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[gentoo-dev] Re: net-www breakup - review required

[Mamoru KOMACHI]

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Hi all,

At Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:32:39 +0100,
Stuart Herbert wrote:

> We're looking to *completely* remove the burgeoning 'net-www' category and 
> replace it with a set of new categories:
> 
> 	www-apache - for apache & it's plugins
> 	www-apps   - for web-based applications (general dumping ground)
> 	             (expect to break this up at some point in the future)
> 	www-client - for web browsers, plugins, and other 'clients'
> 	www-misc   - dumping ground for stuff that doesn't run under a webserver
> 	www-proxy  - for proxy servers
> 	www-server - for all web servers that aren't apache

www-apps	net-www/diaria			N	ruby
www-client	net-www/ci			N	cjk
www-client	net-www/dillo			N	usata
www-client	net-www/gorua			N	cjk, ruby
www-client	net-www/kita			N	cjk
www-client	net-www/ochusha			N	cjk
www-client	net-www/w3m			N	cjk
www-client	net-www/w3m-m17n		N	cjk
www-client	net-www/w3mmee			N	cjk

I'm fine with these changes.

www-client	net-www/netscape-communicator	Y	brad[]?
www-client	net-www/netscape-navigator	Y	brad[]?

If brad[] isn't maintaining them, I'd like to take bug #16605
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16605 and maintain it.
(It is currently assigned to mozilla herd)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-www breakup - review required

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Wednesday 23 June 2004 18:44, Mamoru KOMACHI wrote:
> www-apps	net-www/diaria			N	ruby
> www-client	net-www/ci			N	cjk
> www-client	net-www/dillo			N	usata
> www-client	net-www/gorua			N	cjk, ruby
> www-client	net-www/kita			N	cjk
> www-client	net-www/ochusha			N	cjk
> www-client	net-www/w3m			N	cjk
> www-client	net-www/w3m-m17n		N	cjk
> www-client	net-www/w3mmee			N	cjk
>
> I'm fine with these changes.

Okay.  Thanks for letting me know.

> www-client	net-www/netscape-communicator	Y	brad[]?
> www-client	net-www/netscape-navigator	Y	brad[]?
>
> If brad[] isn't maintaining them, I'd like to take bug #16605
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16605 and maintain it.
> (It is currently assigned to mozilla herd)

Can you talk to brad[] offlist (or IRC or whatever) and let me know what you 
decide between you?  Or just update the metadata.xml ;-)

Thanks,
Stu
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Ian Leitch]

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On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 06:32, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> Hiya,
> 
> If you are on the To: list, that means that one or more package that you 
> maintain is affected by this proposal.  
> 
> Please send all replies to the list only!
> 
> We're looking to *completely* remove the burgeoning 'net-www' category and 
> replace it with a set of new categories:
> 
> 	www-apache - for apache & it's plugins
> 	www-apps   - for web-based applications (general dumping ground)
> 	             (expect to break this up at some point in the future)
> 	www-client - for web browsers, plugins, and other 'clients'
> 	www-misc   - dumping ground for stuff that doesn't run under a webserver
> 	www-proxy  - for proxy servers
> 	www-server - for all web servers that aren't apache
> 
> Some of the packages currently under 'net-www' will be moved into one of the 
> 'dev-*' categories.
> 
> You can find the list here:
> 
> 	http://dev.gentoo.org/~stuart/www-split.txt
> 
> Please take a look, and let me have your feedback.
> 
> Best regards,
> Stu

If you're going to be using epkgmove, please use 0.5 from
http://dev.gentoo.org/~port001/DevTools/epkgmove/. 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Wednesday 23 June 2004 19:07, Ian Leitch wrote:
> If you're going to be using epkgmove, please use 0.5 from
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~port001/DevTools/epkgmove/.

Sure.  Please make an ebuild for it, and get it put into Portage ;-)  

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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 14:07, Ian Leitch wrote:
> If you're going to be using epkgmove, please use 0.5 from
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~port001/DevTools/epkgmove/. 

Why isn't this in gentoolkit-dev? *grin*

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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Ian Leitch]

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On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 20:09, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 14:07, Ian Leitch wrote:
> > If you're going to be using epkgmove, please use 0.5 from
> > http://dev.gentoo.org/~port001/DevTools/epkgmove/. 
> 
> Why isn't this in gentoolkit-dev? *grin*

Ask karltk ;) 
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[gentoo-dev] Re: net-www breakup - review required

[Lisa Seelye]

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On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 01:32, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> Hiya,
> 
> If you are on the To: list, that means that one or more package that you 
> maintain is affected by this proposal.  
> 
> Please send all replies to the list only!
> 
> We're looking to *completely* remove the burgeoning 'net-www' category and 
> replace it with a set of new categories:
> 
> 	www-apache - for apache & it's plugins
> 	www-apps   - for web-based applications (general dumping ground)
> 	             (expect to break this up at some point in the future)
> 	www-client - for web browsers, plugins, and other 'clients'
> 	www-misc   - dumping ground for stuff that doesn't run under a webserver
> 	www-proxy  - for proxy servers
> 	www-server - for all web servers that aren't apache
> 
> Some of the packages currently under 'net-www' will be moved into one of the 
> 'dev-*' categories.
> 
> You can find the list here:
> 
> 	http://dev.gentoo.org/~stuart/www-split.txt
> 
> Please take a look, and let me have your feedback.
> 
> Best regards,
> Stu

memcached is currently in net-www/memcached.  I'm thinking this would be
better suited to net-misc since it really is generic and doesn't have to
be used with web programming.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-www breakup - review required

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Wednesday 23 June 2004 19:18, Lisa Seelye wrote:
> memcached is currently in net-www/memcached.  I'm thinking this would be
> better suited to net-misc since it really is generic and doesn't have to
> be used with web programming.

Okay, fixed in the list.

Thanks for the feedback!
Stu
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Michael Kohl]

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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:32:39 +0100
Stuart Herbert <stuart@gentoo.org> wrote:

> You can find the list here:
> 
> 	http://dev.gentoo.org/~stuart/www-split.txt

Am I just blind or is net-www/snownews missing? It's metadata.xml states
it belongs to "no-herd", and the ebuild I submitted for the newest
version hasn't made it to the tree yet.

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53016

I believe it should go to www-client/snownews, as it seems the other RSS
apps (liferea, raggle, rawdog, straw etc.) are moved there. 

Please, before you drop it, I would volunteer to maintain that package,
as I've offered you in my mail a while ago. :-)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www breakup - review required

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Wednesday 23 June 2004 19:23, Michael Kohl wrote:
> Am I just blind or is net-www/snownews missing? 

Yup - missed that one.  Thanks!

> It's metadata.xml states 
> it belongs to "no-herd", and the ebuild I submitted for the newest
> version hasn't made it to the tree yet.
>
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53016
>
> I believe it should go to www-client/snownews, as it seems the other RSS
> apps (liferea, raggle, rawdog, straw etc.) are moved there.
>
> Please, before you drop it, I would volunteer to maintain that package,
> as I've offered you in my mail a while ago. :-)

I'll take a look at that bug tonight, and then I'll talk to you offlist.

Just in case anyone's worried, I'm not proposing to drop any packages as part 
of this move.  We do have a problem with abandoned packages, but I plan to 
deal with that post-move through a combination of recruitment and stricter 
monitoring on the www-* categories.

Best regards,
Stu
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[gentoo-dev] Re: net-www breakup - review required

[Aron Griffis]

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Stuart Herbert wrote:	[Wed Jun 23 2004, 01:32:39AM EDT]
> 	http://dev.gentoo.org/~stuart/www-split.txt

This looks fantastic and very well organized.  The list looks good to
me.

Regards,
Aron

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[gentoo-dev] Re: net-www breakup - review required

[Christian Andreetta]

On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 06:32:39AM +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> We're looking to *completely* remove the burgeoning 'net-www' category and 
> replace it with a set of new categories:
> 
> 	www-apache - for apache & it's plugins
> 	www-apps   - for web-based applications (general dumping ground)
> 	             (expect to break this up at some point in the future)
> 	www-client - for web browsers, plugins, and other 'clients'
> 	www-misc   - dumping ground for stuff that doesn't run under a webserver
> 	www-proxy  - for proxy servers
> 	www-server - for all web servers that aren't apache
> 
> Some of the packages currently under 'net-www' will be moved into one of the 
> 'dev-*' categories.
> 
> You can find the list here:
> 
> 	http://dev.gentoo.org/~stuart/www-split.txt
> 
very well organized. Looking through the list, i came over a few
unmaintained packages that i could follow :)

Could we think of a www-appserver group (or whatever alike) to contain all
application servers now under dev-* or net-www?
These are some i know about, but surely there are more in the list,
or to come in future ;): at least other 5 of them are not in gentoo
at now, but are widely used, so...

net-www/cocoon
net-www/jboss
net-www/jetty
net-www/orion
net-www/resin
net-www/resin-ee
net-www/tomcat
dev-python/skunkweb

(?) net-www/screem


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-www breakup - review required

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Thursday 24 June 2004 22:14, Christian Andreetta wrote:
> Could we think of a www-appserver group (or whatever alike) to contain all
> application servers now under dev-* or net-www?
> These are some i know about, but surely there are more in the list,
> or to come in future ;): at least other 5 of them are not in gentoo
> at now, but are widely used, so...
>
> net-www/cocoon
> net-www/jboss
> net-www/jetty
> net-www/orion
> net-www/resin
> net-www/resin-ee
> net-www/tomcat
> dev-python/skunkweb

It's worth a thought.  

Personally, I perfer the idea that anything that's language-specific (the 
language itself, supporting frameworks, and runtime environments like 
appservers) should go into the dev-<lang> category.

But I'm open to bribes ^H^H^H debate ;-)

Best regards,
Stu
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[gentoo-dev] Re: net-www breakup - review required

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Wednesday 23 June 2004 19:06, Martin Schlemmer wrote:
> What about a www-plugins in there somewhere ?

Mmm ... I'm ambivalent either way myself.  Anyone else have an opinion?

Best regards,
Stu
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[gentoo-dev] Re: net-www breakup - review required

[Dylan Carlson]

On Wednesday 23 June 2004 2:06 pm, Martin Schlemmer wrote:
> >
> > 	http://dev.gentoo.org/~stuart/www-split.txt

jboss, orion, resin, tomcat are servers and should go to www-server, not 
dev-java.   They are webservers.   The fact that they are java-based is 
just a dependency on java.

Also I think we might need some clarification on where RSS/RDF news 
aggregators should be placed (if it has not been done so already).

Cheers,
Dylan Carlson [absinthe@gentoo.org]
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-www breakup - review required

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Sunday 27 June 2004 21:59, Dylan Carlson wrote:
> jboss, orion, resin, tomcat are servers and should go to www-server, not
> dev-java.   They are webservers.   The fact that they are java-based is
> just a dependency on java.

Tomcat and JBoss for two are just runtime environments for Java applications.  
I think it's reasonable for these to go into dev-java.

> Also I think we might need some clarification on where RSS/RDF news
> aggregators should be placed (if it has not been done so already).

They're in www-clients for now.

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Stu
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