From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24929 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 10:55:25 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (128.193.0.39) by eagle.gentoo.oregonstate.edu with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 10:55:25 +0000 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([128.193.0.34] helo=eagle.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AwfeN-0008Pb-UT for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:55:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 15738 invoked by uid 50004); 27 Feb 2004 10:55:23 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 14752 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 10:55:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:56:13 +0000 From: Tom Wesley To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <20040227105613.GA27270@tawesley.homelinux.org> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <403DF80C.6060407@gentoo.org> <87fzcx97k7.fsf@killr.ath.cx> <403E1759.1030001@gentoo.org> <87brnl1aoh.fsf@killr.ath.cx> <87brnl1aoh.fsf@killr.ath.cx> <403EF47B.3010407@gentoo.org> <20040227091048.175628C016@derisoft.derived-software.demon.co.uk> <1077874832.30569.3.camel@newkid.milsson.nu> <20040227095255.861168C016@derisoft.derived-software.demon.co.uk> <1077877553.5810.21.camel@newkid.milsson.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1077877553.5810.21.camel@newkid.milsson.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] No XFree86 w/ new license X-Archives-Salt: 1866018c-4bf6-4504-913d-985516dd8798 X-Archives-Hash: 3f4f1291c16460da4c8448f311df27fd --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 11:25:53AM +0100, John Nilsson wrote: > On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 10:52, Phil Richards wrote: > > On 2004-02-27, John Nilsson wrote: > > > It is not the same thing. If Xfree86 can be argued to be a standard > > > componet of a system Gentoo can COMPLY with the Xfree86 License AND = be > > > compatible with the GPL for those applications linking wiht Xfree86. > >=20 > > Yes, but the point is it *can't* be argued sensibly. The argument put > > forward was (basically) "it makes the system more acceptable to end-use= rs". > > Well, so would including "Microsoft Office". I believe that this point is void - Microsoft Office license will not allow= distribution without payment to MS. XFree's will. > >=20 > > You *don't* need XFree86 to make a Linux-based operating system. Perio= d. > > No question, no argument, no discussion. It is therefore *not* one of > > the "standard libraries that accompany the operating system" - the only > > get-out-of-jail-free card that the GPL allows you to play. It is an > > add-on to the core operating system for specific end-users - those that > > want a user interface. > >=20 It is argued that XFree is a core component of a Linux desktop, and therefo= re qualifies for the exemption in the GPL, similar to Win32 versions of Gai= m linking to core components of Windows. (I imagine that it must, on some = level, link to the graphics rendering libraries?) > > You could build a distribution that didn't violate the GPL, but you > > might find that people wouldn't like it very much - there are lots of > > things that are GPL'd that you would no longer be able to distrbute with > > it. (Not everything, only those that link against X - like Gnome, gtk.= =2E.) > >=20 > > I think these arguments have been done to death already... I'll shut up= now. > >=20 > > phil >=20 > I think you are wrong. ;) I think it *can* be argued sensibly. For these > reasons. >=20 > 1. Virtually all operating systems today ships with some GUI. > 2. GNU (as in Gnu Public License) seems to regard the X Windows System > as a core system component. >=20 > All you *need* for a linux based operating system is linux and a static > binary called /sbin/init. Clearly the "Base system" referred to in GPL > extends to more than that. I agree. >=20 > Even though I argue for compatibility, I still think it is correct to > not ship XFree86. Mostly because Gentoo would and the OSS world would be > far better of with a more "geekish" and open development of the X11 > implementation. >=20 > -John --=20 Tom Wesley --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAPyJNI7KctWOiufwRAkPjAJwJFrVXqwPYcGMvI9VQcRWMdGxVRwCfZwuj kCrhYPkRfSKWEIhDmFySlwI= =iQsR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o--