Re: [gentoo-dev] creating ebuilds

[Robert Cole <robert.cole@support4linux.com>]

On Tue January 06 2004 4:09 am, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 03:39, Robert Cole wrote:
> > On Mon January 05 2004 11:55 pm, Jon Portnoy wrote:
> > > Okay, let me explain a little bit about how the recruitment process
> > > works.
> >
> > I like it. That's a very good process. I'm talking about ebuilds here.
> > I'll be honest and say I don't know how the backend of the portage tree
> > works with security and all but maybe another tier would be in order if
> > possible. Like a low access new ebuild access that gets queued and not
> > actually put in the tree and someone with access could simply flag it to
> > move into the tree or reject it sending an email back to the creator of
> > the ebuild why.
>
> That is exactly what is done with Bugzilla.  If ti isn't being done on
> certain ebuild submissions, it should be.

I couldn't agree more with Allen on this. Bugzilla should be for software bugs 
not ebuilds. It obviously sucks for that.

> Bugs will stay in Bugzilla if no developer wants to maintain the
> package.  At the end of the day, if I submit an ebuild that you created,
> *I* am responsible for it, not you.  Many developers do not want to take
> on the responsibility of maintaining ebuilds that they know little to
> nothing about.  I know I surely don't.

Now this is just wrong. A cvs dev shouldn't have to shoulder someone elses 
ebuild when the submitter is willing to maintain it. 

<snip>
> than try to add new "testing" packages.  As for ACCEPT_KEYWORDS, Gentoo
> does not use ~ARCH as an unstable area.  It is an area for testing
> EBUILDS, not for testing packages.  If a package is unstable, it doesn't
> belong in our tree.  Period.

Whoa then I guess you better clear out half the gentoo tree then! Just because 
a new release of a software is put out doesn't mean its stable. Heck look at 
gcc, gnupg, cvs, etc yet because those packages have active maintainers they 
get rev bumped within hours of a new release and some get downgraded quickly.

I run KDE 3.2 beta 2 but it's not 100% stable so you better hurry up and take 
it out of the tree.

See how bogus " If a package is unstable, it doesn't belong in our tree.  
Period." is? Simply not true. Gentoo is a bleeding edge distro and gets all 
the latest releases of anything that has a maintainer beta, pre, or release.

> No.  It is a bug that should be fixed by the developer/maintainer.  It
> very well COULD be a developer's fault that someone's system went
> haywire.  Usually, though, it is simply a combination of items which was
> not explicitly tested for and ends up being a bug in either the ebuild
> or the package itself.

And I say so what? Again as a gentoo user I accept that risk when I use the 
gentoo distro. If I want "stable" I could run debian stable and be a few 
years back on everything all the time.

> Yes.  You can always add ebuilds to bugzilla.  If you think people will
> be interested in them, stir up some support for them in the forums and
> have people test your ebuilds.  Look at lots of ebuilds and see how the
> "official" developers do things and try to improve the general quality
> of your ebuilds.  Try to help out on Bug Day.  Prove yourself as a
> valuable asset to Gentoo and the development team will scoop you up
> quickly.  It's that simple.

I'll do my best. I feel I owe gentoo, kde, openoffice.org, etc allot and right 
now the only way I can pay back is testing and submitting ebuilds. When I 
have the financial means I'll do that too.

Robert

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